Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murder of Shaima Alawadi (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. I suggest a merger discussion continue on the talk page. Mark Arsten (talk) 06:05, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Murder of Shaima Alawadi
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it is now several months since the event and the coverage has all died down. We don't report all murders on WP, and this one fails WP:EVENT. LibStar (talk) 04:01, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. BabbaQ (talk) 11:47, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 20:13, 4 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment, I am open to either deletion or merger to an appropriate article. Although there does not appear to be lasting notability, per WP:EFFECT, there is still passing mention of the event in articles such as these: (Muslim-Americans live in fear, frustration by Ali Al-Sadi, Islamophobia, Sikhophobia and Media Profiling by Simran Jeet Singh, and Media Malpractice by Mark Hemingway). In the continuing passing mentions of the event there appears to be a general continued mischaracterization of the event as a hate crime by the majority of the continuing mention of this event. I believe that there is significant coverage of the event, sufficient to pass WP:GNG, however at the same time, I don't believe (as previous stated) that the event passes EFFECT. That being said, this event maybe worth inclusion in a related subject, perhaps in a summarized manor.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:18, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to appropriate article. After consideration, there is sufficient in-depth coverage (initially) of the event per WP:GNG, however as an event it does not appear to pass WP:EFFECT as no significant coverage regarding the event has been made in the months since the event. Additionally, as stated later in the article, the investigation later showed that it was falsely portrayed as a hate crime. That being said, unless there is a new section created in the article hate crime, which deals specifically about events that are false attributed as hate crimes, than that article does not appear to be an appropriate location for the redirect. Perhaps, the content can be summerized and a paragraph created in the article Islam in the United States.
 * The content can read something like:
 * "On March 21, 2012, in El Cajon, California, Shaima Alawadi was murdered, having been beaten to death in her home. Next to her was a note which read "Go back to your country, you terrorist;" and her death was compared to the shooting of Trayvon Martin. In April 2012, the investigation of the death by the local police with the assistance from the FBI lead the police to not consider the death a hate crime, due to past events relating to Alawadi's family, which included the talk of divorce and the daughter's refusal to proceed with an arranged marriage."


 * --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 05:53, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:18, 4 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment This source says that there was a world-wide reaction, that "women from all over the world, and from different religions, races, and ethnicities, posted photos of themselves wearing a head cover or a hijab" and "many women around the world decided to wear a hijab for the whole month of April."  Unscintillating (talk) 00:43, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure if that source is reliable; however, even if it isbut does the brief reaction following the Murder of Shaima Alawadi have a lasting effect?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:05, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Events don't have to have a lasting effect if the effect of the one-event itself was big enough, like Balloon boy incident. I haven't looked at this enough to know whether or not WP:EVENT is satisfied.  That article I found should be sufficient to show that the WP:GEOSCOPE was or is worldwide.  I also just now looked at the suggestion from the first AfD to merge to Islamophobic incidents.  From what I've seen, that is a good place for this material.  Unscintillating (talk) 01:02, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * IMHO, that does not appear to be a good redirect location, if as stated in the article that the event wasn't an action of Islamophobia than it shouldn't go there. However, it should be preserved in some form. Perhaps to the article regarding El Cajon, California, or elsewhere?
 * It maybe to soon, given that there has not yet been a finalized outcome of the case. For instance it may end up being a case of Domestic violence or Honor killing, or something else.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 16:06, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you've missed the point that I was seeing, people in the U.S. are well aware that the Oklahoma City bombing had no connection to Islam, yet the bombing is at the top of the list at the Islamophobia paragraph. Unscintillating (talk) 22:22, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If that is the case, because the event was not connected to Islam it should be removed from that article. Just because there was an error in current content, doesn't give justification for it being there.
 * If there is a section regarding falsely attributed events than the Oklahoma City federal building bombing and this event should be in such a section, otherwise I don't believe either should be included in the proposed target article.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 14:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep I still feel there is enough news to write an article and the hate crime against Muslin women angle makes it notable. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 20:03, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * However, it is falsely attributed as a hate crime, as stated later in the article.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 14:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - Per WP:GNG and user Richard-of-Earth great arguments.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:16, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. There was coverage in major media in the week or two following the event (e.g. ), however, I have concerns about WP:PERSISTENCE and WP:EFFECT since there has been no coverage from similar sources after April. Location (talk) 14:03, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
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