Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murray Hill (performer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep in accordance with WP:SNOW. Acalamari 20:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Murray Hill (performer)

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Fails to comply to WP:ENTERTAINER. No notability whatsoever. I can't even find this person with a normal Google search, let alone a Google News search. I move that this article be deleted. Article is poorly written as well, and there are only 3 citations. -Axmann8  ( Talk )  05:56, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Try a Google search like ("murray hill" "drag king"), and you will find some references both on Google web and Google News. Furthermore, the fact that this article has only three citations is mitigated by the fact that one of those citations is a profile in the New York Times which is almost entirely about this person. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:30, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * "Drag kings" don't seem very note-worthy or relevant to anything. -Axmann8  ( Talk )  07:47, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You're kidding, right? Drag kings certainly can be notable as much as drag queens or any other character or personae if they meet WP:GNG. -- Banj e  b oi   12:48, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * keep on the basis of the above referencesDGG (talk) 06:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I move that your vote be discounted on the grounds that there is a conflict of interest. You are very close friends with the author, are you not? You have an image of yourself on your profile taken by the author of the article. -Axmann8  ( Talk )  07:49, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * A conflict of interest doesn't exclude someone from the debate. Even Mr. Hill himself could contribute if he used Wikipedia policy to make his case. In this case DGG is citing the reason Metropolitan90 provided, so it's all above board. - Mgm|(talk) 11:09, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep: the profile in the New York Times is more than enough to demonstrate notability. Scog (talk) 07:53, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, It's not. WP:ENTERTAINER required the person to be noted by multiple outlets. -Axmann8  ( Talk )  08:07, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see that anywhere in WP:ENTERTAINER. In any case, as far as I'm concerned, the New York Times profile would be sufficient coverage for Hill to meet the general notability guidelines for Wikipedia, even if it was the only reliable source. And it's not the only reliable source out there: see e.g. . Scog (talk) 08:35, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. I created the nomination. -Axmann8  ( Talk )  08:07, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * As nominator you don't get to !vote here; it's assumed you want the article you nominated for deletion to be deleted... Coldmachine Talk 08:24, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak delete per WP:BIO, with specific reference to WP:ENTERTAINER - coverage should be in multiple sources, acc. to general notability guidelines and entertainers are expected to have "made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment." My !vote is only weak, however on the basis that AfD is not for cleanup and that if this individual really is notable then sources should be found to indicate as much and the article kept. If that was done while the AfD is in progress I'd move my vote to strong keep. Coldmachine Talk 08:24, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and close. Appears to be joke AfD.  --KP Botany (talk) 08:28, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I can assure you it is not a joke AfD, as I am the nominator, and I'm telling you it's not. It's completely non-notable. The article is a joke, not the request to delete it. -Axmann8  ( Talk )


 * Keep as a notable performer; references indicated by Metro and Scog more than fit the bill. As far as the oft-referenced guideline, I would argue that the subject does meet it by virtue of multiple stage shows and appearences (opening for undeniably notable bands), supported by interviews and reviews in major publications.  one brave  monkey  10:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Snowball keep Obvious notable living person. Snowball keep and close. - &#10032; ALLST☆R &#10032; echo 10:49, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. Citations from the New York Times and Village Voice make it hard to view this as a good faith nomination. Clearly notable.YobMod 11:03, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Contrary to the nom's statement this guy IS covered by multiple sources. - Mgm|(talk) 11:09, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Snowball Keep Passes WP:BIO and WP:RS without a problem. Pastor Theo (talk) 11:12, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Hill is notable, but the article has room for improvement. There's a lot written about him and it should be reflected in the article. --Moni3 (talk) 11:52, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep I've been reading about Hill for years. Here's a surprising number of books that can source here as well. Hill has also been featured in many of the films regarding drag kings. -- Banj e  b oi   12:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Snowball Keep per pretty much everybody except the nominator. While I have no idea why anybody would want to look like a male, (:p) the article clearly complies with all of the relevant criteria. The pattern of responses on this page makes the nomination look like a WP:IDONTLIKEIT issue. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 13:52, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - multiple reliable sources are already referenced in the article. I don't know why we are having this discussion. <b style="color:#990066;">Aleta</b> <sup style="color:#0095B6;"> Sing 13:52, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Snow keep. AfD's groaning under the weight of things to discuss, and we don't need this cluttering up the page.  Could some passing admin please do the honours?— S Marshall   Talk / Cont  15:02, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: Very sketchy details RE this act's coverage outside of New York City, but enough to convince me it's worth writing about. As noted in Theatre Journal, vol. 57, iss. 4, has performed alongside Marga Gomez (63,000 ghits) and Carmelita Tropicana (12,000 ghits). Ottre 15:55, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Ummm, the NYT, NY Mag, and VV references aren't enough?  APK  How you durrin?  16:49, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - clearly notable from the New York Times article, "Mr." Hill is frequently in LGBT new magazines, and is quite famous in that community and in New York City. it is snowing. P.S., I am friends with DGG, but not with Murray. Bearian (talk) 17:07, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per all the above, and all the articles from highly respectable sources referenced above, not to mention the Washington Post and the Guardian. Seriously, how can this subject not be notable? How can editors claim there is no coverage in multiple outlets? Let it snow! Drmies (talk) 19:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: some of the references brought up above, as well as three books (all by academic or otherwise established publishing companies--establishing coverage WELL outside of New York City, unless one claims that The Encyclopedia of Lesbian and Gay Histories and Cultures (Taylor and Francis, 1999) is exclusive to the Big Apple), have been brought into the article. There's perhaps a dozen more books that could be added. I find it incomprehensible that this comes up for AfD. Drmies (talk) 19:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


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