Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murray MacLeod


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The result was delete. Both keeps are weak and not based on strong sourcing that would definitively meet WP:GNG, so consensus found to delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:03, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Murray MacLeod

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A non notable actor. Deprodded in good faith as a source was located (https://www.loudersound.com/features/the-xcerts-love-loss-and-a-year-in-hell) but this appears to be for a different subject with the same name. No evidence of sources for the subject of this particular article. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 16:23, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete not notable as an actor or a singer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:59, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Nom. This BLP is supported by IMDb that is not a reliable source. As a double whammy IMDb is used in the "External links" and also as a reference. Notability on Wikipedia for inclusion is determined by significant coverage in reliable and independent sources and this is not evident. This does not mean there may be "some notability" but subjects "failing" to meet a minimum criteria should not be afforded a stand alone article. Otr500 (talk) 06:45, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep: I have found some non-trivial sources at newspapers.com and am applying to have them clipped at WP:RX. I'll post them as soon as I can. Dflaw4 (talk) 10:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Here are the sources I referred to above: here and here. The first will be useful for verifying many of the subject's early acting roles; the second discusses his relationship with his wife. There are other sources, too, but I think this is a good starting point. Dflaw4 (talk) 11:47, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Another source, mainly about the subject's wife, but mentions some of his film credits: clipping. Dflaw4 (talk) 13:28, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 21:03, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Pace the new sources, but they do not demonstrate the persistent or in- depth coverage required to pass the minimum requirements of WP:ANYBIO. ——  SN  54129  08:16, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep I am going to go along with WP:GNG for the clippings by above.  does not seem to be familiar with WP:ANYBIO, which has nothing to do with press coverage. P.S. notability is a temporal thing. No form of notability requires persistent coverage. Notability is permanent. If you were ever notable (as this guy was in the 60s and 70s), we will accommodate that notability with a bio on WP. He once held a stature or some sort of sway to alter the career of a peer of Barbara Walters from the sound of things.  Who knows what Stephanie Edwards (television personality) if she hadn't been so into this guy, but I guess he has given her 45 years of happiness, which may be worth more than a great news career.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:59, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Coverage is innate to GNG, ANYBIO is merely a further failure to meet basic notability requirements. Unfortunately for your argument, changing someone's career (!) or having someone "into" you (!!!) are even less solid indicators of notability.  And are equally less mentioned in, err, anybio. Etc.  Cheers!  ——  SN  54129  06:32, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * To me, this seems the very definition of “notability is not inherited” (WP:INVALIDBIO) - if several editors have conducted extensive searches, and out of the 3 sources found, 2 are passing mentions in relation to the subject’s partner, then I can’t see how we can produce anything more than a very short stub out of this sourcing. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 14:25, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:05, 3 May 2020 (UTC)


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