Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murray Miller


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep.  Sandstein  08:34, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Murray Miller

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Fails ANYBIO and NCREATIVE. John from Idegon (talk) 12:27, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Keep I am in the view that both nominees (as his brother Judah Miller is now also nominated for deletion) are notable enough (or at a minimum should not be immediately deleted to let others work on the page): they each have been the writer for several important shows and they both have been nominated as part of a team for an Emmy. If a team wins an Emmy, everyone on the team gets an Emmy. Murray and his brother Judah are the sole writers for both nominations (and the writers are typically the bread and butter of an animated film). I am not sure how much notability the current controversy imparts. Here are the links to the citations that were deleted which I believe should remain which both name the subject:  Here is the link to Murray Miller's exact Emmy profile http://www.emmys.com/bios/murray-miller Patapsco913 (talk) 14:14, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment -, no disrespect intended, but altho this is apparently the first time you've faced this issue, it isn't the first time it's come up. A show being given or nominated for an award does not in any way speak to the notability of the people who worked on it. Your opinion on that is irrelevant. It's just the way it is. If he would have been nominated for "Best Writer", that would matter. The show being nominated doesn't and that's not a valid issue for this discussion. It would be at WT:Notability (people), but a discussion on changing the guidelines would not resolve prior to this discussion's close. John from Idegon (talk) 14:47, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
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 * I though articles for deletion discussions were for people to give their opinion but now mine is irrelevant? Anyhow, the subject's notability is based on a combination of his filmography (see the extensive list on IMDB which mirrors the Pages that link to "Judah Miller" on wikipedia) as producer and writer (and occasional voice actor) combined with his two Emmy nominations as one of two writers (along with his brother Judah Miller in an animated series (where writing is everything).Patapsco913 (talk) 17:07, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Keep Patapsco913 brings up some valid points why this article should be kept. Vistadan (talk) 18:51, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Keep 12 mentions in the New York Times alone since 2001. Obviously noteworthy. No need to delete. Gerntrash (talk) 13:23, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * , can you please share any of these sources? John from Idegon (talk) 11:19, 21 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Genzlinger, N. (2017, Jul 07). A clean tour de france? ha! New York Times
 * Genzlinger, N. (2015, Jul 10). Grand slam, no target spared. New York Times
 * Shattuck, K. (2017, Jul 08). What's on saturday. New York Times
 * Stanley, A. (2003, Feb 04). A new show blessed for what it isn't. New York Times   --Gerntrash (talk) 02:18, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I re-added the information back that he was part of the team that was nominated for the Emmy. Over and over and over again I see people listed as winning or being nominated the Emmy for teams that they were part of (e.g. Bill Hader, Matt Groening, Vernon Chatman, Rob Sorcher, John Frink, Chuck Patton, Rich Moore...etc. I could provide more (I am just picking the most established articles to show that this is a well-established practice on Wikipedia to list someone as winning or being nominated for an Emmy when they are part of the team behind it). That is why I added Crew Roll to reflect that. Otherwise when Schindler's List wins an Academy Award for Best Picture, we could not say that Steven Spielberg won the Academy Award which we do (see List of awards and nominations received by Steven Spielberg. Miller and his brother were the two writers of the script that won the Emmy. A writer in an animated series is pretty important, probably more important than all the co-producers. Patapsco913 (talk) 11:41, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Keep Murray Miller is also now notable because of the allegations that Aurora Perrineau has directed at him--and the controversy that has arisen around those allegations. We should keep the page in order to properly record the outcome of those allegations. I also note that the request for deletion comes at an interesting time in that it is contemporaneous with the allegations. --CarlJParker (talk) 02:08, 26 November 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 04:18, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Two time Emmy nominee who has served as a writer and executive producer for multiple series. Clearly notable. JDDJS (talk) 16:35, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as per my argument at Articles for deletion/Judah Miller. Accusations such as  should not be a reason to keep an otherwise non-notable bio. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 00:54, 30 November 2017 (UTC)


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