Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Museum of Photography of Skopelos


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 06:49, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Museum of Photography of Skopelos

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Not notable, no substantial text. Has had notability tag since August 2008. MrShamrock (talk) 02:26, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep it's a stub. Mentioned in several books when the city name is spelled a bit differently. May be a transliteration issue. StarM  03:25, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Museums and libraries-related deletion discussions.   — StarM  03:26, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions.   --  StarM  03:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Agree with StarM. It's a valid stub. Should be expanded, but that's not a reason for deletion. --Oakshade (talk) 03:48, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

*Delete - StarM, can you point out exactly which book this Museum in mentioned in? Because that link you posted goes to 7 books that only happen to have the phrase "Museum of Photography" and the word Skopelos, but they do not mention this Museum specifically. This certainly does nothing to establish notability. And Oakshade, I put this article up for deletion because it lacks notability, not because it requires expansion. I see no need to expand, nor any sense in expanding, an article that lacks notability. I respectfully disagree with both of your arguments to keep this article. MrShamrock (talk) 04:09, 10 January 2009 (UTC) Duplicate !vote stricken by Hers fold  (t/a/c) at closing.
 * COmment it may be that it's the photography center as commented below and seen here and here. If we use that name, see also: here about the founding and this affiliation with the Greek Monistry of culture. May well need to be renamed. StarM  05:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * MrShamrock, you typed "no substantial text" is one of the reasons you put this up for AfD.--Oakshade (talk) 07:18, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Is this museum the same as the 'Photographic Center of Skopelos' as described here?  http://www.greeka.com/sporades/skopelos/skopelos-excursions/skopelos-photographic-center.htm. If so, there are multiple ghits that establish validity, if not notability.  --Lockley (talk) 04:47, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, well I don't see anything in that website that links it to the article, the website does not describe the 'Photographic Center of Skopelos' as being a museum at all. If anything, this article should be deleted and a new article should be created about the 'Photographic Center of Skopelos'. --MrShamrock (talk) 04:54, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment renaming doesn't require deletion. StarM  05:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The article would benefit from editing, not erasure. Ecoleetage (talk) 13:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Being mentioned in a book or directory falls short of showing notability, in that it is not "substantial coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources." Someone created robotically stubs for every Greek "museum" in some online directory. Some are notable, others are just a one room curio shop, or someone's small private collection. Each should have independent references (more than their own website) with more than directory type information such as location and hours. The directory apparently set a very low standard for what it called a "museum." Edison (talk) 20:32, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Question don't you think an affiliation with the Greek Ministry of Culture confers some notability? I think this is far more than a curio shop in someone's yard. This is a museum recognised by the country. StarM  22:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * As I said hundreds of these stubs were created by copying a directory to individual Wikipedia articles. An 'affiliation" means what exactly? "Recognized" means what? That some ministry says, yes, it is one of thousands of museums, some of which are important cultural institutions of worldwide renown, and others of which are curio shops or private collections?Are there reliable and independent sources with significant/substantial coverage of this museum? Please add them. Many of the stubs should be deleted, and it is hard to separate the wheat from the chaff without good references. The two refs included with the article seem marginal. Edison (talk) 01:56, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment we're talking about the Greek Ministry of Culture, not a two-bit local chamber of commerce. It's the national government. There may not be sources in English because it's a Greek museum but sources in English are not required. Unfortunately I don't speak Greek so I don't know it's name in Greek to look it up, but there's at least one English source available. The stubs were created to increase coverage of museums in non-English speaking countries. Museums are generally notable, this one doesn't appear to be an exception. StarM  02:14, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Calling something a museum certainly does not make it notable. Being in a directory put out by a national ministry does not make something notable if it is not a discriminating listing like a national register, which rejects many unimportant sites seeking to be on it. Many things in the directory which was the source for the flood of stubs about Greek museums are nonnotable, being curio shops or basically shops offering a few pieces of art for sale to tourists. Each needs sources to show it is notable or at least once was notable. Edison (talk) 20:07, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable enough for me. This source seems usable. This, too. Zagalejo^^^ 05:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Official museum affiliation with the national Greek Ministry of Culture which recognises them as national Greek heritage naturally is about as far from notable as we can get? Mmm. I'll let you decide on that one. But also remember that a lot of information may be available even on the web in Greek. Just remembering Peter Crouch's robotic dance at the 2006 World Cup.  The Bald One       White cat 21:17, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep as being easily notable under WP:GROUP through the most cursory of searches. Should be tagged for additional sources and for expansion rather than for deletion. Not being fixed after a tag, no matter how long it was so, is no reason to bring to AfD as Wiki has no deadline.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:39, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I had kinda hoped these museums had been expanded by now and am a little disappointed given the size of this project that they haven't. They were "robot" generated form a missing notable listed as part of official Greek heritage museums which were the criteria for notabililty. Note there were hundreds of other museums not started because they weren't considered notable enoough, only those which are officially considered of national significance by the Greek Ministry of Culture. I got around to expanding a few but I can't be expected to to everything solely. I scouted around before starting them all and I could see there were plenty of reliable sources to expand them all. I had anticipated that Wp:Museums or WP:Greece or anybody with the desire for knowledge would have tried to expand them rather than placing notability tags on most of them. C'mon guys collaborate!!  The Bald One       White cat 22:46, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


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