Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MusicMann 279

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. Mackensen (talk) 22:29, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

MusicMann 279
This project has no evidence of existence other than two web-sites and a host of speculative posts on radio-related forums. Non-notable. The Best Cocktails In Manchester 13:56, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Note that VfDing this article was this user's first and so far only edit, so if we're to disregard Chubby Chicken's vote to keep (see below) we should probably not count the nominator as a valid vote to delete. &mdash; Trilobite (Talk) 03:04, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete "The company involved in setting up the station estimated a June 2005 launch, but this has not taken place"  Though it could be expanded and rewritten into an interesting article, come back when it has actually lannched and gained notability! Sonic Mew 14:03, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * keep notable Chubby Chicken 15:44, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Above recently created account, Chubby Chicken, is voting "keep, notable" for numerous clearly non-notable (indeed bordering on speedy) articles. Please keep that grain of information in mind when counting votes. -- BD2412 talk 20:20, 2005 Jun 11 (UTC)
 * Delete It's proposed. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --Xcali 17:22, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Actually I was thinking about expanding this recently, so perhaps it's lucky I didn't if it's going to be deleted. This is definitely more notable than the average proposed radio station, mainly because it's on longwave. There are now only two stations broadcasting on longwave in the UK and Ireland, both run as long-range repeater services by the two countries' state broadcasters, and the only longwave-only commercial station went out of business a few years ago. The possibility of starting another one has been talked about for years now. Great controversy surrounds it because running a longwave transmitter is thought to be unprofitable and fruitless these days, and these people are trying to use some new untested kind. This station has been trying to get started for quite some time and is discussed and argued about endlessly. This is much more notable than some proposed local mediumwave or FM station, for example. There are very few longwave stations in the world (see the article), so we should allow for the possibility that a new one might be notable before it's even started broadcasting. We should also remember that this station has a potential audience of the order of 100 million (I haven't seen the figures). If it really does never get off the ground I would probably vote to delete myself, but at the moment there appears to be a fairly reasonable chance that it will. &mdash; Trilobite (Talk) 17:51, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'm familiar with this project too, and while I believe that it's notable within the radio industry, there are a lot of radio projects out there that never get off the ground. Does Eric Wiltsher's little Slovakian project 1 merit its own page in Wikipedia, for example? At present, I don't feel that this project has any more notability than your average RSL or pirate resurrection pipe dream. Abstain for now. Smileyrepublic 16:50, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I didn't know anything about that Slovakian one, but looking at the website it appears to be on the air and broadcasting, in which case it certainly is notable and deserves an article. I think this project is quite a lot more notable than an RSL because RSLs are confined to a small area and are ephemeral in nature. This being a project to launch a new national station, in fact not a national station but one broadcasting to several countries, on longwave as well, it seems rather more notable than a planned local station. &mdash; Trilobite (Talk) 19:07, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete no notability yet - Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. JamesBurns 05:00, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages.  Please do not edit this page .