Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Music News


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. After discounting the opinion by John G Masters for containing personal attacks, and that by 82.132.224.113 for not making an argument, we have only one credible "keep" opinion.  Sandstein  07:45, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Music News

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Promotionally-toned and WP:PUFFERY-filled article created by belligerent SPA. Appears to be actually for promotion. I went looking for sources actually about Music News and couldn't find them. The total claim for notability is: 1. it had interviews with chart musicians (so did my 1980s fanzine with a circulation in the hundreds, and that's not Wikipedia-notable either) 2. it got a paragraph review in New Media Age (which literally compares it to a fanzine) 3. it got passing mentions as having run stories 3a. and the SPA proudly cites it as having done a bad job of doing so. There is no evidence I can find that Music News meets any of the four criteria of WP:NMAGAZINE. (My fanzine meets #2. And no, it shouldn't have an article either.) David Gerard (talk) 19:01, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: more discussion required — Yellow Dingo&#160;(talk) 05:08, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Obvious keep. Since we're throwing stones (I'm an "SPA" who's edited various articles), I'll throw mine: nominator is a failed magazine writer with an agenda against publications more successful than his. WP:N is asserted, and there is absolutely no puffery or advertising, as illuminated not only by myself on the article's talk page, but by a reviewing editor. Nominator is desperate to discredit sources, but his "passing mention" stuff doesn't stand up: two paragraphs of a five-paragraph Scotsman piece are about the site, and New Media Age was a long-running publication deemed notable by Wikipedia. John G Masters (talk) 19:15, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: I realise this video is from Music News' own YouTube channel, but editor Marco Gandolfi has appeared on BBC News discussing, er, music news, if that lends his site any further credibility. Richard3120 (talk) 20:35, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: Yes, Gandolfi appeared on BBC News, and articles from his site have served as the foundation of pieces written by the Belfast Telegraph, the Daily Express, NME and Digital Spy (Music News has been cited as a source by multiple other outlets). I don't see how notability isn't asserted. Sure, there's isn't a wealth of articles specifically about the site, but I don't recall reading too many articles published by sites, about other sites. Sites tend to write about people, events etc. John G Masters (talk) 21:10, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Magazines, periodicals, news sites etc that do pass WP:NMAGAZINE do in fact tend to have been written about in many other sources, and we have lots of articles on such that pass that bar. WP:WEBCRIT is another that might apply, but again, there's literally one source so far about Music News - David Gerard (talk) 21:47, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete -- no indications of notability or significance, per available sources. I was able to find 1920s' The Music News (link, but nothing on the magazine in question. I'm generally sympathetic to news media articles, and I'd be happy to review any WP:SIGCOV sources if they are available. But two paragraphs in Scotsman do not SIGCOV make. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:20, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Particularly two paras saying it's rubbish - David Gerard (talk) 00:48, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - Just meets GNG in my opinion. 82.132.224.113 (talk) 12:53, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * You just added a reprinted press release to the article as a source - David Gerard (talk) 13:00, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Not sure about "just meets", given again that MN stories have served as the foundation of articles in reputable worldwide publications. As for a "press release", the added cites read like news to me. John G Masters (talk) 17:28, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Yellow Dingo</b>&#160;<b style="color:BLUE">(talk)</b> 05:08, 10 October 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 01:05, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as this is still not the needed substance we need for convincing notability and it's best Drafted for the meantime, if needed, until we can fully establish a both substantiated and larger-sourced article. SwisterTwister   talk  04:37, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per the New Media Age review, which provides significant coverage of the subject, and The Malta Independent article, which discusses Music News' launch in Malta. Cunard (talk) 06:44, 2 November 2016 (UTC)


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