Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Music To Picture


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete. Fram (talk) 11:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Music To Picture

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This page faces a range of issues. It does not appear to meet notability guidelines, esp. WP:NALBUMS. There are no references (other than external links that mostly, if not all, look problematic and not reliable sources); my cursory search did not find any sources that looked reliable. The creator is, according to this discussion at an AfD on the article about Terry Silverlight actually the composer of the album and its publisher - that is, there are clear conflict of interest issues, and it being self-published further undermines the prospect of notability. While the entry may be made up of bare facts, it is a kind of marketing, and highlights why editors should not create or edit articles where there is a COI. I suggest the editor in question should have made a request at a WikiProject or similar, and seen if anyone thought it was a notable enough item to then pursue. I would have voted delete at the AfD on the composer himself (it was retained following very little input and no consensus), but at the very least this spin-off should go. hamiltonstone (talk) 01:24, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  --  Jujutacular  talk 04:51, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Usually WP:NALBUMS would require a redirect to the main article, but since the main article of this particular entry is of dubious notability, I support deleting it. The conflict of interest issues are very worrying. If the main article is nominated for AfD again, I'd support deleting it as well.--hkr Laozi speak  18:01, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Little time was given to make corrections to this article before a "Delete" was implemented, and editing was never suggested as an option. In any case, the references of possible objection have been deleted, leaving ASCAP (one of three leading performance societies) which lists and verifies many compositions Terry Silverlight has written that have been aired on TV and in film, a major film and TV publisher Heavy Hitters that has published and placed several Terry Silverlight compositions, and two IMDB entries that list compositions Terry Silverlight has written that have been used in major films. Not much has been written about this album, but these references are reliable, notable and third party. No marketing or promotion was intended with the creation of this article. The reference made by both administrators to the Terry Silverlight Wikipedia article points to the complaint one Wikipedia administrator had to the early stages of the article about notability. A thorough review of the edit and discussion histories will reveal that those concerns were carefully and respectfully addressed and corrected. The article now contains several reliable third party references confirmed by Wikipedia administrators, solidifying the article's high level of notability and overriding the initial COI concerns. Correcting this Music To Picture article, if possible, is welcome. Going back to the Terry Silverlight article and disputing it's level of notability, I request be avoided.  Fjwihjs (talk) 15:31, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * A couple of comments. Administrators at Wikipedia don't "confirm" things of this nature. A discussion is help and consensus reached amongst editors, and amdinistrators may play a role in implementing that consensus. IMDb is, last I checked, not generally a reliable source, but entries there alone in particular i do not think can contribute to establishing notability. While I haven't looked at the specifics, a performance society may represent many professional musicians, but that does not help establish their notability, let alone for an individual album. i will try and look again at this but at this point I still think this is a delete. hamiltonstone (talk) 04:31, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete, non-notable self-released disc. Hairhorn (talk) 01:18, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - There is no coverage or critical reception in evidence in the article, or in my own searches to indicate this is notable. -- Whpq (talk) 16:28, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.