Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Music of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus to delete. Please take any merge discussion to the appropriate talk pages. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:35, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Music of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
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Not notable enough to have it's own article. A merge into Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars would work as well. -Karaku (talk) 19:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars per nom. NN on it's own Doc Strange (talk) 20:42, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy close, merging is not something for AFD to be concerned with. Axem Titanium (talk) 04:05, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * In pricipal, AfD can concern itself with merges, however…


 * Comment Actually AFDs ending in merging are quite common Doc Strange (talk) 05:47, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * … in practice, we've seen deletes with none of the content actually merged. Taric25 (talk) 19:17, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. Too short. It needs to look more like Music of Kingdom Hearts and Music of Final Fantasy VIII, if possible. The Prince (talk) 17:06, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Take a look at this edit. The article is still under construction. Also, one of the main contributors to Music of Kingdom Hearts, User:Guyinblack25 is currently working on World of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. Don't you think it would be a good idea to ask for his help before deleting this article? Taric25 (talk) 19:17, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. The article is under construction, just like it says at the top of the page. “Please don't tag with a deletion tag unless the page hasn't been edited in several days.” Now, I admit, no one had edited the article in several days, true. As for myself, I had been busy with things in my real life, namely work.
 * Now, take a look at this edit. I'd written that a week ago, but I hadn't posted it because I was looking for audio samples. I didn't find many, so I was trying to learn how to make them on my own. I was somewhat successful, but I'm still working on it. We simply need a little bit more time to do three things.
 * Expand the concept and creation section and merchandise section
 * This is very easy, because Yoko Shimomura got many of the concepts directly from the Mario series and Final Fantasy series, and we can simply cite the sources that state this as well as compare and contrast the works' influence, such as comparing Final Fantasy V’s “Royal Palace” (王家の宮殿) that plays while in Walse Castle to “Hello, Happy Kingdom ” that plays while in the Mushroom Kingdom.
 * Expand the musical pieces section to include the notable musical pieces, not just one.
 * This is also easy, because the music has many musical pieces that are directly from either the Mario series and Final Fantasy series. Also, a reliable souce already shows which pieces Shimomura took directly from them. We can simply expand the section with two more subsections discussing the pieces she took from the two series.
 * Add the audio samples
 * This is an easily surmountable problem, and the problem is purely technical. I have already captured the “Underworld theme” from Super Mario Bros. directly from an NSFe dump. I have also written the image desciption page for it, complete with fair use rationale, here. I am also working on creating the other samples. Taric25 (talk) 19:27, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - I'm on the fence with this one. In its current state, the article is not in that good of shape. It cites YouTube a couple times and a few less notable gaming sites, which I don't think fall under the definition of a reliable source, and is a bit sparse on the number of reliable source to assert notability. It is also missing important information on the "Creation and influence" section. However, the article is clearly under construction with efforts made to improve it. The "Reception" section is of decent size and contains info from 1UP.com, RPGamer, RPGFan, All Game Guide, and SoundtrackCentral, all of which are considered reasonable to good realiable source by the VG Project. Does Wikipedia, need to tighten its quality control? Yes. Do we need to rush to remove every article that is in bad shape? No. I'd say we wait a short while and see how much it can be expanded and properly sourced before a final decision of "Keep" or "Merge/Delete" is rendered. My two cents. (Guyinblack25 talk 19:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC))
 * Merge. Not notable enough for its own article, but perfect for inclusion in the Super Mario RPG's article. Drumpler (talk) 21:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge - Most of the information is just superfluous info that belongs summarized in the main article or just purely trivial information from unreliable sources. It should exist within the main topic. TTN (talk) 21:31, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Too much effort has already been used to create this article. This article was created to minimized the overflowing amount of information that is on the main article Super Mario RPG. If this is merged (back) to that article, then we'd be going back to square one. Keiji Dragon (talk) 03:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Time for another edit. :P Keiji Dragon (talk) 03:06, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * People worked hard on it isn't a good reason to keep something Doc Strange (talk) 19:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That's not what User:Dragon DASH means. We previously had a huge section on the soundtrack in the main article that dominated the article. We removed it, but brought it back by demand. (See Talk:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars/Archive 1) What Dragon DASH means is exactly what he says following the effort statement: “This article was created to minimized the overflowing amount of information that is on the main article Super Mario RPG. If this is merged (back) to that article, then we'd be going back to square one.” Taric25 (talk) 19:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.