Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Music of The Hobbit film trilogy


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The result was   merge to The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey.  MBisanz  talk 02:35, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Music of The Hobbit film trilogy

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Notability not reached. The films may be notable, but the soundtracks won't reach such status until each one of the films are released. And until then, this article cannot meet GNG. — Ṟ  Ṉ™  06:50, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Can you explain how the article does not meet notability? User:2nyte 19:36, 18 November 2012 (AEST)
 * Well, initially there were not any sources on the article that were both independent and reliable. Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED by the soundtrack being the soundtrack for a notable film. It's also not inherited by having notable people work on it. These things just make it more likely that it will be covered in reliable sources. An unsourced article will always be the subject of deletion discussions, so it is always better to source the article. We also can't say that something will eventually become notable, as that violates WP:CRYSTAL. A lot can happen in a short amount of time. In this case it is very likely that the soundtrack could become notable, but then something might happen to delay everything, including the soundtrack, and everything could end up being scrapped or sent into the film company's basement to sit in limbo for forever. Or all known recordings of the soundtrack and film could be destroyed in a fire. It's unlikely, but the premise here is that you never know until you get those RS that show notability for whatever the subject matter is. There have been multiple instances where a movie or book dropped out of the public eye and never gained enough media attention to merit an article. In any case, I've found some sources that discuss the soundtrack, so hopefully that'll be enough for it to pass notability guidelines. The biggie here is that the soundtrack hasn't yet released and unreleased things are usually held to more strict standards than other things. I think it just barely squeaks by, but don't be upset if it's decided to just redirect this to the main article until more stuff comes out.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 11:54, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:HAMMER. Only one soundtrack, which hasn't even been released yet. This information should be in the film's article. Statυs  ( talk ) 09:00, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. I haven't made up my mind yet, but at the very least this should probably be userfied or incubated. I've found a few sources talking about the soundtrack, which was temporarily streamed online via Empire Magazine. If I can find more sources that do more than just say "hey, this is going to release", I'm going to vote keep. If all else fails, we can either userfy/incubate it or redirect the article with history to the film's page for now with a brief mention of the soundtrack. If/when it gets more coverage, we can just un-redirect it and add the new sources.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 10:05, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. I found a variety of sources that talked about individual aspects of the soundtrack: Neil Finn's contributions, the upcoming release of the full soundtrack, and that it was temporarily released online. I'd say that there's just enough here to barely squeak by for the here and now. There's more discussion about Finn's song, but so far I'd say that rather than create individual articles for everything, it'd be best served as one big article about the soundtrack. If the consensus is for it to be deleted, I'd recommend that it's redirected with history to the film's article. I hate to pull WP:CRYSTAL type predictions, but this is the type of thing that's likely to gain more coverage in the future and I think we'd benefit by having the article history to use when it gets more coverage rather than having to create the article again from scratch.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 10:27, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Good work Tokyogirl. Althoguh, I'm afraid we'll still need it to pass WP:NALBUMS =/ [In my opinion] — Ṟ  Ṉ™  15:51, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Per NALBUMS, "unreleased material (including demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only recordings) is only notable if it has significant independent coverage in reliable sources." This seems now to be the case with even the Rolling Stone reporting about it. Keep. De728631 (talk) 21:00, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Move To The Lord Of The Rings Music Page?. Perhaps to keep things simpler we should move all the information to the Music of The Lord of the Rings film trilogy page so we can keep the information for the entire franchise in one spot?
 * Not a good idea in my opinion. The two film trilogies should be handled separately just like the novels. Mixing content would only confuse the general reader. De728631 (talk) 21:00, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * If anything, it should be moved to The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (film). This page represents the first film in the trilogy that is to be released on 14 December. The page itself is lacking citations and information that individualizes it from The Hobbit (film series) page, but it is a start. – TFunk (talk) 20:43, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That page has been merged to The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey which existed before. De728631 (talk) 16:04, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Now that there is a full article about the film, we can in fact merge the soundtrack to The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey. Both articles will benefit from this and when there is more reliable coverage about the soundtrack we can always split it off again. De728631 (talk) 16:11, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * A classic Hammer situation. So delete. Bearian (talk) 21:37, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 12:07, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 12:07, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.