Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Musical fiction


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:11, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Musical fiction

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Original research--particularly the first sentence. That prose can have rhythm and flow is not new: all good prose is musical. That certain books about musical topics are supposed to be musical is a matter of judgment, which would need serious secondary sourcing. The only sourcing here is a book called "Rock Fiction", which is a collection of stories about rock and roll--a completely different thing. Drmies (talk) 21:29, 2 June 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:36, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Literature and Music.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 23:42, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom - The article appears to either be WP:OR or an attempt at a neologism that did not catch on. Doing searches on the term do bring up a number of results for times the two words "musical" and "fiction" were used next to each other, but these are being used to talk about a wide range of topics unrelated to the claims of this article, such as fiction that is about music, or using music to help teach fiction, etc. Rorshacma (talk) 23:49, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - in agreement with the nominator and previous voter. The article is an attempted original research exercise that clumsily messes up prose that is musical with fiction that is about music. Two different things that don't even remotely fit together. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 12:56, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep/Non-Deleting TNT: The title is potentially useful as many sources use the term "Musical fiction", such as An Annotated Bibliography and Reference List of Musical Fiction by Kellie D. Brown, Teaching Musical Fiction by Marcin Stawiarski, to name a couple. A simple Google Scholar or Books search reveals a lot of actual sources discussing the genre. It is easily a suitable topic for a comprehensive encyclopedia. However, the page as it stands is pretty subpar, meaning I would not reject a non-deleting TNT and rewrite. Why? I Ask (talk) 13:51, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is indisputably, as Why? I Ask says, a topic on which it's possible to find a lot of reliable sources (Draucker 2018, Graham 2013, Losseff and Fuller 2016, MacAuslan 2016, Melnick 1979, Petermann 2014, Smyth 2016, Werner and Bachleitner 2012...). The question is whether those sources are actually talking about musical fiction as a discrete concept, or whether there's just a lot of coverage in the way there is about small dogs or long-serving police officers or novels about shopkeepers, i.e. as a convergence of two concepts that don't necessarily add up to something notable. My sense is that there's enough common ground here for a coherent concept to emerge. Petermann (pp. 5–6) and Smyth (pp. 101–2) are particularly useful for indicating a body of scholarly work on the topic. It's true that "musical fiction" sometimes refers to fiction about music and at other times to fiction with a musical quality, but the sources seem to treat these as very closely-related concerns, so I don't see a problem in an encyclopaedia article doing the same. Having said all that, though, the state of the article does suggest WP:TNT still might apply, so consider this a weak WP:NOTCLEANUP keep if no one's done any work on it when this is closed. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:59, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep As stated above, AFD is not cleanup. I also found these sources that may be used to expand the article 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. With that being said I think there is a fine line between music as fiction and music in fiction which should probably be discussed in the article if possible.★Trekker (talk) 13:20, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per Arms; requires article improvement, not deletion. Iseult   Δx parlez moi 03:12, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete I was gonna weigh in 'keep' but a review of the piece and of the comments above have convinced me we're looking at pure play OR here: this is the shortest essay I've ever seen, but it's an essay. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:11, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Possibly a notable topic, but most of the sources don't actually relate to the term defined in the article (a genre of fiction in which music is paramount). The sources are primarily about the usage of music in fiction without defining "musical fiction" as a genre. WP:TNT is the best solution here. I don't think any of this WP:OR article is salvageable. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 18:54, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, I'm finding WP:SIGCOV in line with the sources reported by User:Arms & Hearts and User:StarTrekker, including whole books discussing the topic. SailingInABathTub (talk) 22:06, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per the many, many, many academic sources on the topic including entire books and annotated bibliographies. Given how small the article currently is, WP:TNT is a silly argument. It is fairly obvious that almost none of the delete voters above have done any WP:BEFORE and their votes should be read with that in mind. Vladimir.copic (talk) 00:26, 17 June 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.