Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muskan Jay


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. While there are sources that verify what this person has done, there is consensus among editors here that there the criteria necessary to establish notability has not been met. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:33, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Muskan Jay

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Winner of a pakistani beauty pageant, no other claim to notability. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 08:56, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:02, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:02, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Please check her controversy section as well. It has a lot of credible links. I can still find more. May need some time. --Salut65 (talk) 09:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * @ User:Salut65 all sources and news articles are about Arshad Khan the chaiwala, not about her. She is a passing mention. Thanks for helping me point it out. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 09:09, 23 April 2020 (UTC)


 * @ User:MistyGraceWhite I found 2 more links which mentions all about her. Its is from the News. Please check it out. --Salut65 (talk) 09:12, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * @ User:Salut65 your links mention her in a passing reference. The main point is Arshad Khan. Apart from that, if her only claim to fame is that she did a video with Arshad Khan, who is himself nearly a nobody and does not have a Wikipedia article, and in that on single video, Arshad Khan's family did not like his intimacy and he promptly quit working with her. The media, even then, did not use her in the headlines, they used Arshad Khan. So she is even less noteworthy than Arshad khan. She is just a nobody. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 09:39, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@ (talk) News from Times of India, DNA India, Tribune Pakistan, The NAtion, The News Pakistan, hindustan times and Dawn are not unreliable. They are not unsourced. None of the links are spam. But you have removed the complete data from Miss Pakistan World. Do you have any clue what pageants are ? Can you see this page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femina_Miss_India ? This page is all about Pageants in India.

Can you see their detailed report?

You removed the Miss Earth pageant from the page of Miss Pakistan World, that was all the winners who went to Miss Earth. There are over 150 pageants done by the contestants, yet only that information of Miss Earth was added. No one is hungry to add a lot, as I dont have time to look at links for the other 100 pageants. But you are removing data that is history. How come Miss India is having this data where as Pakistan cannot have the data, even though there were enough links stating that those particular contestants went to the Miss Earth pageant.

You have not done any research on pageants in wikipedia. Ask me? I can give you the help. Rather than you vandalizing the pages, when you dont have the capacity to learn about pageants and how they work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Venezuela https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Brasil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femina_Miss_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Universe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_World

Look at the pages of these national pageant. Miss Pakistan World, Mrs. Pakistan World are national pageants for Pakistan. For almost 18 years, the history of these pageants are reduced by you to just half a page. It seems you targeted all the winners of the pageant, the pageant and the organizer and deleted all the sources as well as nominated all pages for deletion.

Please look at these pages and explain why the writers still have them up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sof%C3%ADa_Silva_(beauty_pageant_titleholder) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gisela_Bola%C3%B1os https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susana_Duijm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consuelo_Nouel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_Margarita_Pieri https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladys_Ascanio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ana_Griselda_Vegas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olga_Antonetti https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irene_Amelia_Morales_Machado https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes_Revenga

I can give you over 1000 examples of pages on beauty queens. The winners of Miss Pakistan World have more links than any of these beauty queen pages mentioned to you. I dont see you going on a rampage to delete them. It seems no matter how much proof is given to you, you are aiming to delete history. Salut65 (talk) 06:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)


 * @ User:MistyGraceWhite

I have found some more links where the headlines have her name - https://stateviews.com.pk/muskan-jay-ropes-chaiwala-upcoming-music-video/

https://pakistanmediaupdates.com/muskan-jay-first-item-song-girl-pakistan-675.html

http://theasianpost.co.uk/chaiwala-romances-muskan-jay-in-latest-music-video/

Secondly, can we add her song links from Apple Music, Saavan etc. Will that help. As she has completed 10 songs and more and also was the winner of Mrs. Pakistan World 2016.

She has done many songs and every song has some link that I can submit. But for that I will have to list all her songs, and not all may have any media done.

So let me know if Apple Music links can work etc. Thank you. Salut65 (talk) 09:49, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * @ User:Salut65 just making a song video does not qualify you for a wikipedia article. Mrs. Pakistan World is the name of a very local beauty pageant that is held in a small area in Canad, it has nothing to do with pakistan or the world. It is not a global beauty pageant, nor does it take place in pakistan. It does not even have any sustained mention in pakistani media. I reiterate She is a nobody. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 09:57, 23 April 2020 (UTC)


 * @ User:MistyGraceWhite

I think you are not reading the sources. The pageant takes place in Canada, but they are the only representatives of Pakistan as all Pakistanis have pakistani citizenship to enter international pageants. Please do read the references. Its been taking place since 2007. And can you please advise as to why another article is sent for deletion, Diya Ali. Please check the news about her in the references. Thank you. Salut65 (talk) 10:00, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I think that I may have more credible resources, how can you helpme move the article of both Diya Ali and Muskan Jay in draftspace??? In my opinion both articles have enough references. But I can work on them and would prefer to move them in draftspace.

Let me know your opinion. Salut65 (talk) 10:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * @ User:Salut65 I have checked thoroughly. There are no sources that exist. the article should be deleted. You can ask for WP:REFUND if you want to. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 11:12, 23 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - Merely releasing a couple songs (without receiving much of a response) and winning a beauty pageant (a relatively obscure one that doesn't get sustained coverage) doesn't make one notable. I agree. Deletion is the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 19:44, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Draftify as requested. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 23:17, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 12:37, 24 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete not notable as a beauty queen or singer. It is articles like this that have nearly propelled us to having 1 million articles on living people.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:09, 24 April 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.