Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muskogee home shooting


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) JayJayWhat did I do? 03:59, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Muskogee home shooting

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WP:NOTNEWS and WP:ROUTINE. There is no indication that this is a notable event whatsoever. There have been a multitude of familicides involving multiple victims, even during this pandemic, and the article seems like standard reporting of this sort of event more than anything else. Nothing about this incident stands out. Love of Corey (talk) 06:34, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 06:41, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oklahoma-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 06:41, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:45, 3 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep for now - Seems more than a run of the mill home shooting, five children dead in a single shooting is pretty notable, it is receiving coverage even here in the UK. Article needs improving rather than deleting. Inexpiable (talk) 07:37, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * UK source? Love of Corey (talk) 07:55, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oklahoma: Man and five small children shot dead at US home Sky News Oklahoma mass shooting: Six killed including five children The Independent Inexpiable (talk) 08:41, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Neither source gives anything new and pretty much just summarizes what the U.S. sources give. Love of Corey (talk) 09:05, 3 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep as a premature nomination for an event shaping up in a decidedly notable direction. This is frankly a little ghoulish -- it was less than a day ago. "Neither of the UK sources give new information" is a strange objection, considering the relevance of them to this discussion is "this topic has coverage throughout the Anglosphere", not "these are brand new sources with completely different information". Vaticidalprophet (talk) 10:40, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Ideally, sources shouldn't just regurgitate different versions of the same information, though. WP:MILL and WP:EVENTCRITERIA. Love of Corey (talk) 11:01, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * This doesn't constitute WP:MILL, because run-of-the-mill murders in Oklahoma aren't reported in London. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 11:30, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * That's been stricken. But WP:EVENTCRITERIA still applies. "Editors should bear in mind recentism, the tendency for new and current matters to seem more important than they might seem in a few years time. Many events receive coverage in the news and yet are not of historic or lasting importance. News organizations have criteria for content, i.e. news values, that differ from the criteria used by Wikipedia and encyclopedias generally. A violent crime, accidental death, or other media events may be interesting enough to reporters and news editors to justify coverage, but this will not always translate into sufficient notability for a Wikipedia article." Love of Corey (talk) 11:39, 3 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment. A google search of "muskogee shooting 2021" showed just dozens of US national media outlets (RS) including CNN, CBS, NBC, NY Times, USA Today, & AP News.  Even though the article doesn't list them, it 100% passed the RS needed mark.  The article also does pass Wikipedia minimum death of 4.  Elijahandskip (talk) 11:46, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge as I do not believe it is notable enough for a stand-alone article, however, it should be mentioned/merged into List of mass shootings in the United States in 2021. Elijahandskip (talk) 11:46, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep for now — Doesn't seem like just another shooting. We should wait and see as more details become available. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 13:44, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Nomination withdrawn - I would now like to withdraw this AfD. Though the sources do not indicate this, my own personal research on the history of mass shootings in Oklahoma indicates this incident could be the deadliest in the state since the Edmond post office shooting nearly 35 years ago. Plus, this is obviously the deadliest mass shooting in the history of Muskogee, a city with a population of a little under 40,000 people, not your average Oklahoma City or Tulsa. That's a double-whammy right there. Love of Corey (talk) 22:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 *  Keep or redirect - Keep, or redirect to List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:45, 7 February 2021 (UTC)


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