Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muskoka Bible Centre


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:32, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Muskoka Bible Centre

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Completely unsourced article about an organization, whose strongest claim of notability ("Canada's largest") cannot be verified anywhere but its own self-published content about itself. I searched both Google and ProQuest for improved referencing, and came up bone-dry. In ProQuest, for example, it gets just two hits on its current name and five on its former one — but all seven of them are just glancing namechecks rather than substantive coverage of the type it would take to pass WP:GNG or WP:ORG, and exactly zero of them support the "Canada's largest" claim. And a Google search doesn't bring up any valid sources that aren't simply duplicates of the ProQuest hits. An organization is not entitled to have a Wikipedia article just because its own primary source web presence verifies that it exists; it must be the subject of sufficient coverage in reliable sources to satisfy Wikipedia's inclusion and referencing requirements, but this simply isn't. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 03:21, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 03:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 03:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * keep the Proquest articles - here are 2 anyone can access, , from a major Toronto daily, so verify that it is a large tract of Chrisitan recreational-use land.  Similar older stuff in the Canadian papers , .  Those articles point to the fact that it operated a  "Camp Widjiitiwin", and that does produce sources .  Two of the pastors self-published a book in 2010 Muskoka Miracles: 80th Anniversary By John F. Holliday; Richard D. Holliday , not useful for notability, but could help with sourcing and certainly puts this place in the category of Chataqua-like church camps of that era.  Overall I'd say that the place can be sourced, it just needs sourcing. expansion. an editor with an interest.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:08, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 08:25, 1 February 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep but heavily tag for expansion and sourcing. It is always difficult to tell if something is notable when the article is so brief.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:37, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  18:13, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep for now at best as this may be improvable. SwisterTwister   talk  03:00, 9 February 2016 (UTC)


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