Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muslim Students Organization of India MSO


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The result was   delete and salt. Note: Further recreations of this article under a new name can be deleted/salted under WP:CSD. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 00:12, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Muslim Students Organization of India MSO

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Non-notable organization failing WP:ORG and WP:GNG. Previously deleted via an AfD, and no evidence that things have changed. Article is created by an account with a WP:COI, and is very heavily promotional to boot ("Aims and Objective" being an obvious example). Luke no 94 (tell Luke off here) 23:44, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Previous AfD located at Articles for deletion/Muslim Students' Organization of India. If consensus is to delete, then I suggest this, and all possible alternative titles, are salted. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 23:46, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:25, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete and salt as another repost based on unreliable sources. In fact, the same unreliable sources that were an issue last time - the last AfD doesn't tell the whole story as the version of the article at that time was weeks after I removed the unreliable sources, tagged the article for citation needed and scoured the web for anything I can find. All these "sources" here are the same as the ones before. Seriously, take a look...TwoCircles which isn't reliable as discussed at the RS noticeboard here, the organization's own website, SunniCity and Siasat (which was also brought up and shot down at the RS noticeboard multiple times), a one-sentence mention in The Hindu...actually this was already discussed at the old article's talk page and the last AfD, I almost feel silly going into this much detail. Burn it down like Carthage and salt the earth. MezzoMezzo (talk) 17:12, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * And regarding the COI...let's just come out with it. This article was created by User:Msoamu, who just came off a six month topic ban from this very topic for POV pushing and edit warring. This organization's nickname is MSO, and it was founded at Aliargh Muslim University, often abbreviated AMU. In fact this organization, on some press releases on its website, refers to itself as "MSO AMU." I mean...seriously, this is just blatant advertising for an org with no proven notability, the guy behind this account could be the only active member. We don't know because there simply isn't any extensive coverage as required by WP:GNG. MezzoMezzo (talk) 17:14, 2 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Syed Muhammad Amin Miya Quadri Barkaati, and mention in that article as one sentence. Professor Syed Muhammad Amin Miya Quadri Barkaati is apparently patron-in-chief and president of the national executive council. When I searched for Muslim Students Organization of India on Google, I got huge numbers of hits - lots of false positives.  When I searched for "Muslim Students Organization of India" in inverted commas, I got 3 hits with the "s" spelling, and 15 with the "z" spelling.  But even then some were false positives.  If the article becomes a redirect, it will be easy to monitor whether someone is recreating the article.--Toddy1 (talk) 22:48, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The thing is... with such a non-notable organization being so eager to promote itself, I'm not even sure I trust their own website on a claim like that. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 22:54, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I just found a Facebook group for this org...can't say much without respecting privacy, but there are at least four members in the group and this new Wikipedia article was being promoted on there December 21st, the same day User:Msoamu created it. I really don't trust anything from their site, it could just be a handful of guys trying to start a student group and using Wikipedia as a springboard. MezzoMezzo (talk) 15:44, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete and salt Mainly copyvio most of which I've deleted (as is another article he created recently. Dougweller (talk) 08:27, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Strong keep-This Page was on wikipedia for many years and was deleted when Mezzomezzo removed its content ,and tagged it for Deletion.The official website might not be working at that time but I have found it www.msoofindia.net is very much active.

Mezzomezzo in the past has nominated almost all of the Article of Barelvi category for deletion but was unsuccessful.The MSO of India Page was deleted with the following last comment from a neutral editor that

Mezzomezzo who had nominated the page for deletion had claimed that There is only one reliable sourced on this organization, consisting of only four sentences. I spent more than a week trying to findanything else and couldn't..... MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:15, 14 September 2013 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Muslim_Students%27_Organization_of_India
 * If the organization is so moribund, and WP:RS so impossible to find, why does Google News reveal this hit from August 17 of this year? Wait, I see the news item is actually attributed to "Shujaat Ali Quadri ,National Secretary, MSO of India" at the bottom. So this is in fact some kind of news release? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:27, 14 September 2013 (UTC) and the

Now With all due regards to neutral Wikipedians I would like to submit that this article belongs to a prominent organisation of the country which gets regular Media coverage in National Papers and TV channels and in Regional,Local Media.I would like to tell two Important points to readers that this organisation belongs to Indian Muslims who though great in numbers but are in minority here,they don't have news channels,news papers and magazines which can be said truly main stream.They get coverage by mainstream media only on controversial issues.Only results of Three websites comes under Google News like Twocircles.net,www.ummid.com ,www.milligazette.com while others like Muslimmorrir.com,Indiatomorrow.com www.sunnicity.com etc are not shown on google news.The community gets its voice covered in only Urdu language papers.The Milligazette is a only English language fortnightly and Two circle is only famous and prominent News site run by Indian Muslims.MSO which has organised mega rallies and conferences all over India,got extensive Media coverage,having strong network of its cadre,strong relationship with other bodies of Sufi community.I have tried to solve the copyright and POV issues and added many reliable and third party sources.Other neutral editors can also improve the Article accordingly.Msoamu (talk) 11:16, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Msoamu, all you did was add some more blog links and citations to the organization's own website. You're also in violation of Canvassing with all the people you're tagging for this AfD. This is exactly the kind of behavior that got you topic banned in the first place. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:18, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you look at this AfD's history, s/he isn't canvassing; s/he instead appears to be copypasting other people's comments into this discussion, complete with signatures (that's a new one). Anyway, redirect to Mawlid.  Erpert  WHAT DO YOU WANT??? 05:58, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Erpert, you're right, he's just copy pasting comments here. My mention of canvassing, though, will become clear when taking a look at his recent contribs. Same old stuff since I first encountered this guy and his drawer of socks back in 2007. MezzoMezzo (talk) 10:22, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Just in case Msoamu tries to bounce the "canvassing" claims back on me, then I should point out that I notified every single person involved in the previous AfD, regardless of what they wrote. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 11:12, 12 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete and salt Per Mezzo Darkness Shines (talk) 09:12, 12 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Have a Look-
 * Let's access the sources that have covered the activities of this organization.
 * Three different news item from-Times of India-Largest circulated English Daily news paper
 * Indian Express-Leading English daily of India
 * The Hindu-One of the most prominent English Daily
 * Hindustan Times-One of the Prominent news paper of India
 * Al Jazeerah-International news site
 * The Milli Gazette-Covered by Google News,The Guardian, described the Milli Gazette as "a newspaper widely read among India's 140m Muslims" and "an influential newspaper for Indian Muslims."
 * Two Circles.net-Leading news site of Indian Muslims widely read,covered in Google News .Indian Express an English Daily says -wide coverage an ex- Arab news coverage of Two circle news
 * The Vox Kashmir-Kashmir based News site
 * http://kanglaonline.com/- Prominent news site covered in Google news covering North East Indian states.
 * http://www.onislam.net-OnIslam.net is your resource for news, features, and fatwas about Islam and Muslims around the world
 * www.ssfmalappuram.com/news/default.asp?id=mso- Associate organization of Muslim Students Organization of India MSO
 * http://www.hueiyenlanpao.com/- Manipur Daily News Services.Established in 1978, the Hueiyen Lanpao Group of Publications is one of the oldest media houses in Manipur
 * http://muslimmirror.com-An online news site with Independent reporters and editors based in New Delhi
 * http://www.siasat.com- The online version of India's largest Urdu newspaper.
 * http://www.ummid.com -covered in Google news run by Indian Muslim community
 * http://www.indiatomorrow.net/-Independent news site run by Indian Muslim community having Reporters and editors
 * Islamic Voice (magazine)-popular monthly Islamic Magazine of South India
 * http://pukhtoonistangazette.com- Pakistan based news site
 * http://apsp.asia/?page_id=83- Official site of Asian People's solidarity forum International
 * http://www.islamicpluralism.org-run by Stephen Suleyman Schwartz

These notable English daily papers,news sites,Magazines and other Prominent neutral sources confirmed the notability of the organization and its presence in mainstream media.This is despite the fact that Indian organizations are covered mainly in Non English sources.I will try to add other notable sources also.Msoamu (talk) 20:55, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Uh, you haven't provided any evidence that these websites have covered your organization. The closest thing I can see that even comes close is, which is a mere passing mention that a member of your organization is also a member of theirs. makes no mention of "muslim students", or MSOAMU, or even AMU. I can claim that I have been mentioned in a million reliable sources, but that doesn't make me notable without proof. Your attempt at refspamming here fails that miserably.  Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 21:09, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Are You following the discussion?Are not these websites there on the Article itself? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Students_Organization_of_India_MSO#References.Msoamu (talk) 21:23, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Mostly, no, they aren't there, and that's also one of the most appalling attempts at refspam I've seen in recent times. And you've not even formatted them. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 21:37, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I have added Titles to references, will try to format but can u help me in improving it ? which website I discussed above as a source is not in he Article it self when u said mostly ,no ?Msoamu (talk) 22:12, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
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