Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muslim scholar


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Whether to place a redirect here, and where to, is a matter for yet-to-be-established editorial consensus.  Sandstein  08:15, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Muslim scholar

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There is no encyclopedic concept to be covered here, nor an ambiguous concept to be disambiguated. The phrase is like Chinese hobbyist or brown pants. Possibly soft redirect to Category:Muslim scholars. bd2412 T 15:50, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment&mdash;We do have a List of Islamic studies scholars, which isn't quite the same thing but seems a more appropriate association of terms. Perhaps a merge there? Regards, RJH (talk) 16:53, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete — Article serves no purpose. ContinueWithCaution (talk) 17:17, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete phrase pretending to be a disambiguation page. A redirect to Islamic studies could work. -- Ja Ga  talk 17:39, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that the dab page Muslim scholarship overlaps, and raises similar issues. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:46, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete – Agree with nominator that there's no encyclopedic concept to be covered here. As the nominator suggested, Category:Muslim scholars might be a good redirect destination. But I don't think merge/redirect to another article would be best in this case, as there's no particular article this should be merged/redirected to: "Muslim scholar" is a wide-open, ambiguous concept, even assuming momentarily that it is encyclopedic. Neither List of Muslim historians, List of modern-day Muslim scholars of Islam, List of Muslim philosophers, nor Islamic studies seems a particularly good fit for the concept. JFHJr (㊟) 21:49, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That's exactly why it should be a dab page. -- 202.124.73.30 (talk) 02:39, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:10, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:10, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep. A sensible dab page, based on an obvious search term, and with an inherent ambiguity (is it scholarship from within Golden-Age Muslim culture but unrelated to Islam, or scholarship based on Islamic religion, or scholarship by Muslims? -- the first two of those relate to different clusters of articles, the last to a variety of lists). -- 202.124.73.30 (talk) 02:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The problem there is not the ambiguity of the phrase "Muslim scholar" but of the word "Muslim" in that phrase. The exact same thing could be said about "Jewish scholar", "Buddhist scholar", "Hindu scholar", "Chinese scholar", "Brazilian scholar", "Canadian scholar", "Republican scholar", "Psychotic scholar", Asian-American scholar", etc. Furthermore, you could substitute "academic" or "specialist" or " expert" (or even "hobbyist") for "scholar" in any of those. Do you see where that becomes a problem? bd2412  T 15:56, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, but "Muslim Scholar" is a little different, because it refers to the cultural phenomenon called the Islamic Golden Age as well as to the adjectival sense you describe. Consequently there is no obvious redirect target. -- 202.124.72.216 (talk) 23:13, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Many religions, ethnic groups, nations, and cultures have had periods from which particularly proud scholarship arose. There is nothing special about Islam in that regard. The lack of an obvious redirect target is of no more significance than the fact that there is no obvious redirect target for purple flower. Any flower that is purple can be described as a purple flower. bd2412  T 23:44, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * But the article under discussion isn't about purple flowers, but about a topic where the adjective is ambiguous (it can refer to the religion of the scholar or to a particular cultural milieu). It is therefore analogous to, say, Jasmine (disambiguation), and satisfies the criteria at WP:Disambiguation for creating a dab page. -- 202.124.73.15 (talk) 09:35, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Again, that is a function of the ambiguity of the word "Muslim", not of the phrase "Muslim scholar" (or of possible substitutions like "expert", "student", "researcher", "teacher", etc.). bd2412  T 15:59, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Category:Muslim_scholars, which seems great. Stuartyeates (talk) 05:31, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.