Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/My-King Johnson


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The result was keep. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 12:28, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

My-King Johnson

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The only SIGCOV I've found of Johnson are articles saying he'd be the first gay D-I player—Except he wasn't. Johnson was dismissed before playing a game at Arizona. Afterwards he went to New Mexico Military Institute. It appears he does not play anymore. Fails 1: WP:GNG as only one piece with SIGCOV; 2: WP:NCOLLATH as he did not play and won no major awards; & 3: WP:NGRIDIRON as he never played pro. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete says the article's creator. I jumped the gun on this. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:19, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Given the extent of coverage noted below, I don't think you jumped the gun. Cbl62 (talk) 21:08, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:51, 15 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails WP:NGRIDIRON Suonii180 (talk) 20:32, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Fails WP:NGRIDIRON, as his career never materialized, but passes WP:GNG due to significant coverage in reliable sources:
 * His name is in the headlines and he's covered in depth in these articles. Additional reporting can be found in The Guardian, the Washington Post, and on Telesur: his scholarship was national and international news. pburka (talk) 22:32, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @pburka My opinion: 1. is WP:SIGCOV; no. 2. is pretty much the same topic; no. 3 I'm not sure about, it is different but appears short.; no. 4 is under the "blog" section; and no. 5 appears to me as routine coverage. My opinion of GNG for sports bios is 3 independent sources, different topics (I would count the 50 articles about him coming out as 1) with SIGCOV. All the SIGCOV I see is the same topic, him coming out as gay. No 3. you listed may be SIGCOV, but to me it seems too short. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:38, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * His name is in the headlines and he's covered in depth in these articles. Additional reporting can be found in The Guardian, the Washington Post, and on Telesur: his scholarship was national and international news. pburka (talk) 22:32, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @pburka My opinion: 1. is WP:SIGCOV; no. 2. is pretty much the same topic; no. 3 I'm not sure about, it is different but appears short.; no. 4 is under the "blog" section; and no. 5 appears to me as routine coverage. My opinion of GNG for sports bios is 3 independent sources, different topics (I would count the 50 articles about him coming out as 1) with SIGCOV. All the SIGCOV I see is the same topic, him coming out as gay. No 3. you listed may be SIGCOV, but to me it seems too short. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:38, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * His name is in the headlines and he's covered in depth in these articles. Additional reporting can be found in The Guardian, the Washington Post, and on Telesur: his scholarship was national and international news. pburka (talk) 22:32, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @pburka My opinion: 1. is WP:SIGCOV; no. 2. is pretty much the same topic; no. 3 I'm not sure about, it is different but appears short.; no. 4 is under the "blog" section; and no. 5 appears to me as routine coverage. My opinion of GNG for sports bios is 3 independent sources, different topics (I would count the 50 articles about him coming out as 1) with SIGCOV. All the SIGCOV I see is the same topic, him coming out as gay. No 3. you listed may be SIGCOV, but to me it seems too short. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:38, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @pburka My opinion: 1. is WP:SIGCOV; no. 2. is pretty much the same topic; no. 3 I'm not sure about, it is different but appears short.; no. 4 is under the "blog" section; and no. 5 appears to me as routine coverage. My opinion of GNG for sports bios is 3 independent sources, different topics (I would count the 50 articles about him coming out as 1) with SIGCOV. All the SIGCOV I see is the same topic, him coming out as gay. No 3. you listed may be SIGCOV, but to me it seems too short. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:38, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting to evaluate sources
 * Keep. I understand the nom's concern about lack of on-field accomplishments, but he was the first openly gay scholarship player at the Division I FBS level. More importantly, the media coverage is sufficiently overwhelming (and here for good reason) that the subject clearly passes WP:GNG. Here are examples of the WP:SIGCOV: (1) this (international feature coverage in a major English newspaper), (2) this (more international coverage in the UK), (3) this (national feature coverage in ESPN.com); (4) this (national feature coverage in The Washington Post); (5) this (national feature coverage in The Nation), (6) this (national coverage in SI.com), (7) this (national feature coverage in Teen Vogue), (8) part one/part two (in depth feature coverage in Arizona's leading newspaper), (9) part one/part two,  (10) this (national coverage at Fox Sports), (11) this (national coverage from NBC News), (12) this (national coverage in The Advocate), and (13) this (national coverage from CBS Sports). If those aren't enough, see also (14) this, (15) this,  (16) this,  (17) this,  (18) this,(19) this, (20) this, (21) this, (22) this, and (23) this.  Cbl62 (talk) 13:15, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer (talk) 18:57, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: It appears that they meet WP:GNG, but I think they should also be considered in the context of WP:BLP1E. BilledMammal (talk) 06:52, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I thought about that, too, but the coverage is not limited to one event. While his Feb 2017 commitment to UA as the first openly-gay scholarship player is understandably a focus of much (but not all) of the coverage, the coverage extends to his high school career, his initial commitment to UCLA, his later commitment to Arizona, his redshirt freshman season at UA, and his removal from the team for rules violations. I also don't think he falls within prongs 2 and 3 of BLP1E. Cbl62 (talk) 15:32, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In any event, if the coverage is because of him being gay, that's not a "one-time event." It's an immutable characteristic, so it would literally be his whole life. Smartyllama (talk) 23:41, 26 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Fails NGRIDIRON but clearly passes GNG. Smartyllama (talk) 18:21, 25 August 2021 (UTC)


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