Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/My Fake Husband


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Christine Shin.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 19:20, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

My Fake Husband

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Violates WP:CRYSTAL, non-notable film, unsourced. Woogee (talk) 05:58, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete for miserably failing WP:CRYSTAL. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:59, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Change to neutral per comment below by Lear's Fool, but may revert to delete. See how this goes. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:46, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Change to weak keep per comments below by Morenooso, but article may need some cleanup, need more sources and the like. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:57, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, I have to say weak delete for failing WP:COI and WP:RS. It can be improved, but that's my opinion for now. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:15, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - As a Page Patroller I have seen plenty of articles nominated for both Speedy Delete and AFD only to survive because the Wikipedian community decides the article is worthy for inclusion regardless of being a COI. I have this article on my Watchlist. Believe me, I can sniff COI. I just tagged one if you look at my contribs. --Morenooso (talk) 07:21, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Note that the original editor has a habit of removing afd tags. Woogee (talk) 06:15, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, the article creator made that mistake as it is a new user. I caught the mistake and was in the process of writing it a good faith note but got over written by Woogee. Woogee also destroyed content (the link used for the reference). I'd like to see Woogee rescind the warning and let me write the good faith note. --Morenooso (talk) 06:41, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * has been blocked by Materialscientist. -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 06:46, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions.  -- -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 06:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  -- -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 06:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment. This article does not violate WP:CRYSTAL, as it does not contain unverifiable speculation about the future. This attests to the truth of the synopsis of the article, and there are three or four sources to be found on Google about the fellowship award, which means that everything in the article is referenced and hence verifiable.  Simply being about a future project does not constitute a violation of WP:CRYSTAL. -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 06:44, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:NF and WP:N (and possibly WP:NFF, though its unclear if the film is finished and just unreleased, or what. The minor award and getting a fellowship (not that uncommon) does not make it notable enough for inclusion. It lacks significant coverage in reliable, third-party sources, making it unnotable regardless of its release status. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 06:46, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Please review the article now. I found an international fact that support it won an award from the Korean Film Council. The article now has reliable sources that show it has new coverage beyond the United States and was completed (thus alleviating WP:NFF. --Morenooso (talk) 08:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * As a side note, it seems highly likely that the creator, Newstoryteller, has some relation/connection to Christine Shin as entire edit history has revolved around making both her article and that of her few independent films, all with very non-neutral language and tone. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 07:01, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If you feel there is a relationship, please put a on the article, I have it on my Watchlist and am a pretty good Wiki Defender. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Morenooso (talk • contribs) 02:07, March 21, 2010
 * Tagged her article as well as the one film not at AfD so far. Interestingly, her website promotes the Wikipedia article for her film Janie as "press coverage". -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 07:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - Article is a developing stub that has two independent references that confirm it was released, won an award and that its screenwriter received a fellowship as a result of her film. Morenooso (talk) 06:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * A confirmation of release does not make it notable, and both "independent references" are the press releases of the award and fellowship, respectively. Neither constitutes significant coverage. And the screenwriter getting a fellowship is not an indication of notability at all for the film, or even her. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 06:56, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - I just added two independent references diff to Christine Shin for her prior work Janie. It appears that this screenwriter is an up-and-coming writer. --Morenooso (talk) 07:37, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Um...her school's newspaper is not an independent source, nor is a directory style listing from an agency that gave her, and many others, a grant. Neither establishes any notability for her at all. "up-and-coming" is unnotable. When she is there, then she might be notable, but as is, right now she isn't, nor, it appears, are any of her films. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 07:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge (and then redirect) to Christine Shin. I agree with Collectonian that the movie itself does not have broad enough coverage in independent sources to warrant a separate article.  However, this is well referenced content, and would not be out of place as a section of Christine Shin's article.  The director's notability is a separate question to that of this article, and for the purposes of this AfD, we should consider this article in isolation. -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 09:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Christine Shin as has been pointed out, while the film does not quite yet have enough to show notability, the director's article might benefit from sourcing toward possible notability... but the director's article is a different argument.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 23:45, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - The Christine Shin article has now been blanked with a copyvio tag. Author is an SPA who creates only Christine Shin-related articles.  I suspect that with all of the COI, there will be more Wikipedia resources devoted to this than it is worth. Racepacket (talk) 06:02, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The copyvio is being addressed through regular editing at Talk:Christine Shin/Temp, as the subject meets WP:ANYBIO through her awards and nominations...Cine Golden Eagle Award, an Audience Award for 'Best Short Film' at Dances With Films Film Festival, and a Gold Remi at WorldFest-Houston International Film Festival. Additional assistance is always welcome.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 07:24, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.