Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mycenae, New York

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The result of the debate was keep. Sjakkalle (Check!)  10:59, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Mycenae, New York
This article title is for a place that does not exist, while it contains some information for the article that already exists titled Mycenae and some completely irrelevant/wrong information. None of the pertinent information is new or not included in the actual article for Mycenae, so the whole thing should be deleted. Jamesmusik 5 July 2005 17:23 (UTC)
 * Delete cut-n-paste nonsense as worded -Harmil 5 July 2005 18:30 (UTC)
 * Delete, as Mycenae is certainly not in New York. Dusik 5 July 2005 18:46 (UTC)
 * Delete JoJan 5 July 2005 19:10 (UTC)
 * I guess that the article was created by an ill-informed editor clicking on the disambiguating red link at the top of Mycenae. But Mycenae, New York does exist; it is a hamlet in Onondaga County.  I've now completely rewritten the article so it is actually about the New York hamlet, and so I vote keep.--Pharos 5 July 2005 19:40 (UTC)
 * I would suggest the new content be merged into Manlius' page, as it is not notable enough to warant a separate page. Jamesmusik 5 July 2005 20:07 (UTC)
 * Merge with Manlius (town), New York. Mycenae does not seem to be a census-designated place. --Idont Havaname 5 July 2005 21:22 (UTC)
 * Keep with Pharos's edits. It is a real place, so there should bne no problem with it having an article. Wikipedia is not paper. Ground Zero 5 July 2005 22:54 (UTC)
 * Keep real place with real communities of interest. Well done Pharos for the rewrite. Capitalistroadster 6 July 2005 00:23 (UTC)
 * Merge as per Idont Havaname. --Alex12 3 6 July 2005 01:25 (UTC)
 * Keep as rewritten. CDPs are rather arbitrary. --SPUI (talk) 6 July 2005 02:37 (UTC)
 * Keep the rewrite, and since "town" in New York is a county subdivision similar to "township" in other states, then do not merge into "Manlius (town)". A real hamlet can have its own article as has been the standard practice. HollyAm 6 July 2005 03:10 (UTC)
 * As per Hamlet (place), a hamlet in New York has no government and is generally considered part of the town within which it is located and does not even have defined boundaries. It does not pass the Google test and is not part of the Census divisions. How exactly is it notable? Jamesmusik 6 July 2005 05:45 (UTC)
 * It's notable to people who live there, even though it doesn't have a local level of government. Have a look at Category:Hamlets in New York.  The unique status that "hamlets" have in New York implies their semi-official recognition.  I don't think the google test really applies to any sort of significant human settlement (nevertheless "Mycenae" and "Onondaga" gets > 4,000 hits); how could there be a popularity test when we have a long list of places with fewer than ten people?--Pharos 6 July 2005 06:23 (UTC)
 * We have lots of articles on neighbourhoods within cities, see List of neighbourhoods in Toronto. Neighbourhoods have no government, are considered part of the town within which they are located, may not even have defined boundaries, and are not part of the Census divisions. Ground Zero 6 July 2005 11:55 (UTC)
 * Keep real places, thanks Pharos. Xoloz 6 July 2005 04:28 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand if (but only if) it's a real place. CDThieme 6 July 2005 19:49 (UTC)
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