Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Myles Ponsonby, 12th Earl of Bessborough (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. ✗ plicit  23:32, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Myles Ponsonby, 12th Earl of Bessborough
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Previous discussion closed as keep in 2014, on non-policy based arguments (mainly WP:ILIKEIT). Non-notable British peer who inherited his title in 2002, and therefore never sat in the House of Lords (due to the House of Lords Act 1999). Fails WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO (no entries in biographical dictionaries, distinctions, contributions to a specific field). British peers are not inherently notable.

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Pilaz (talk) 08:14, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Pilaz (talk) 08:14, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Royalty and nobility-related deletion discussions. Pilaz (talk) 08:14, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  11:54, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. His name is amusingly parodic-sounding, but beyond that he seems to have done nothing notable to warrant a place in a global encyclopaedia, which is not supposed overtly to favour either inherited position or wealth attained through celebrity (both of which enforce a disproportionate bias towards Anglophone countries - Britain and to a lesser extent Ireland specifically in the first case, all Anglophone countries but especially the United States in the second case - which we should be avoiding).  Some peers who have never been eligible to sit in Parliament are notable because they have done things not stereotypically expected of their class, such as the current Earl of Shaftesbury, so there is coverage on these grounds.  This one does not appear to be a surprising or unusual figure, so he has not gained the coverage which people of his class once gained as a matter of course, before modern celebrity culture, which probably would push some peers of those times past our notability guidelines even if they had not all been eligible to sit in the Lords (indeed, there are probably people born into the aristocracy before 1939, and even more so before 1914, who never inherited actual titles and did not sit in Parliament but are Wiki-notable through such coverage in ways their equivalents today would not be).  RobinCarmody (talk) 00:02, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment Wikipedia is a global encyclopaedia, but there isn't such a thing as a global "notability factor" detached from specific cultural contexts. People who are notable in one culture may not be notable in another culture, and there is nothing inherent wrong with that. And I don't think we should be mocking naming practices of specific cultures for no very good reason. Atchom (talk) 17:03, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Completely non-notable individual. Practically zero coverage by reliable sources. No in-depth coverage. A passing mention in the Kilkenny People does not make a Wikipedia article. If it does, where is this lovely couple's article? AusLondonder (talk) 15:04, 24 March 2022 (UTC)


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