Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Myra Greene (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 11:05, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Myra Greene
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Only three refs and on is her own web-site. The other two are simply reviews of one exhibition. Nothing here suggests any significant notability. Fails WP:GNG  Velella  Velella Talk 19:22, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * keep Nominator did not excersise due diligence, which requires to look beyond the article text. Google quickly shows independent coverage. I added a ref from Museum of Contemporary Photography. - üser:Altenmann >t 23:05, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * And what about assumption of good faith? Is a resumé from your employer on your employer's website truly an independent and reputable source ?  Velella  Velella Talk 04:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * What about multiple coverage in press, easily found? And museum is not her employer. - üser:Altenmann >t 07:54, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: further discussion seems needed  DGG ( talk ) 00:25, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  DGG ( talk ) 00:25, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete at best as my searches found nothing better and this is currently not better for WP:CREATIVE. Notifying the only still active AfDers and .  SwisterTwister   talk  01:16, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep (again) per meeting WP:CREATIVE through due diligence finding she and her works having significant coverage and thus meeting WP:GNG.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 01:37, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. Clearly enough coverage exists to demonstrate notability. The nominator should have a read of WP:BEFORE. I don't understand the other Delete !vote. --Michig (talk) 08:46, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in reliable sources.  The article notes: "Myra Greene grew up in New York, where she was used to being around people of different races. But as she embarked on her photographic career, her work and travels took her to places where she was the only African-American. ... “My White Friends” is a series of some 50 portraits of — you guessed it — Ms. Greene’s white friends. Shot in color, and posed to the point of performance in some cases, the images delve into questions of race and self-perception. She did them hoping to spur a conversation on these issues, which have been part of her work for a while now. In fact, the project had its roots in “Character Recognition,” a series Ms. Greene had done shortly after Hurricane Katrina. She had been aghast at how some of New Orleans’s black residents were left to fend for themselves or worse and made a series of black-glass ambrotypes, taking glistening close-ups of her facial features. “How do we look at black people and recognize their character?” said Ms. Greene, 36, who teaches photography at Columbia College in Chicago. “Do we recognize character just by looking at the shape of a nose or the color of skin?”"  The article notes: "When Myra Greene asked her white friends to be a part of her photographic exploration of whiteness, their first question was usually, “Why?” Their second: “What should I wear?” As Greene traveled the country making collaborative portraits for her book My White Friends, the answers were often ambiguous. But the conversations they spawned were fruitful, if slightly foreign, to her subjects. “Being asked to be in a photograph because of race has happened many times in my life,” Greene said, who is African-American. “I don't think a lot of white people have been asked to do something because of their racial identity. It changes the way they think of that experience of being photographed.” Greene, an associate professor of photography at Columbia College Chicago, has frequently used photography as a means to explore questions of race and its representation. In her series “Character Recognition,” she made photographs of her own body in an effort to explore the ways in which she’s perceived by others for the color of her skin. When it came to photographing her white friends, the questions were similar, but the process was less clear-cut. “In the beginning we really didn't know what was going on,” she said. “I'd go with them to work or to their home and talk about what I wanted to do and why I wanted to photograph them,” she said. “As the project continued, we had a conversation about types and stereotypes. In the later photographs, I’d say, ‘Here's the person I think you'll be in the photograph, even if that's not the majority of who I think you are as a person.’ ”" There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Myra Greene to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 06:06, 8 February 2016 (UTC)


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