Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Myriam Chalek


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The result was delete.  → Call me  Hahc  21  01:39, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Myriam Chalek

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Non-notable person. Chalek has started a business, and managed somehow to get her name mentioned in the Wikipedia article about Fashion design. That article has been mirrored and translated repetively, resulting in the slew of external links available. The one quote in Fashion design is attributed to an unspecified Vogue interview, but a search of that website does not reveal any content related to Chalek. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:45, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete Poorly sourced article on a person who has not done anything notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:07, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Myriam Chalek is well known for having organised the first prom party in France. Thanks to her, high school students from all over France can now celebrate their graduation through this new tradition that has never been done in France.There is a significant coverage on Myriam's  charity work evidenced in major media sources as 'le Parisien", Le Geant des Beaux Arts, Psy 4 De La Rime...She is also notable by every new fashion designers all over the United States as she established a company that has no competition and which has done over a million dollars in sales the first year while the US was in recession. The well known north african magazine Dziriya has recently published an article on Myriam Chalek honoring her notability.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.27.117.111 (talk) 00:33, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The organization of the prom, which was the 2013 charity-event for Donnors (Chalek is the VP of the charity... and her company CreativeBusinessHouse seems to have some financial relationship with the event-organizing-aspect of the WhiteTieAffair stuff that the charity does every year or two) seems to have some coverage: RespectMag, for instances, might be WP:RS.  However, this coverage was not about Chalek, and often didn't mention her name.  WP:NOTINHERITED says that to have an article about Chalek, as opposed to an article about the charity, we need sources which specifically cover Chalek, by name.  If they mention her, they are WP:NOTEWORTHY, which is useful to improve an article (on charity for instance), but not enough to satisfy WP:N.  Furthermore, see WP:RECENTISM and WP:CRYSTAL; the first prom in France was only last year, and we don't know if it is a tradition, until it becomes a tradition.
 * "Also, Dziriya.net gives the opportunity to its members to contribute to its content." (Bing-transmanglization of the French terms of service for Drizirya.)  See WP:USERGENERATED (and maybe WP:CIRCULAR), this ref is not acceptable for achieving WP:42, sorry.  Do you have a source (magazine/newspaper/magazine/governmental/similar) for the claim of the company having six-digit revenue?  Can you provide URLs for the editorial departments of Le Geant des Beaux Arts, as well as Psy 4 De La Rime?  See WP:RS. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 02:09, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

1.Jump up ^ Sasoon, Vidal (1984). Cutting Hair the Vidal Sassoon Way. Butterworth-Heinemann. 2.Jump up ^ "Biography". Velarri. Retrieved 1 December 2011. 3.Jump up ^ Price, James. "Artistic Director". How is that justified that a hair stylist who worked in a hair salon remains on Wikipedia and a lady who participates actively to humanitarian work through her non profit and helps the American economy to grow via her multiple businesses is being targeted for deletion. I am eager to hear an answer. Emily Cohen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.22.122.178 (talk) 23:07, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep I have just noticed an eventual notice of removal of the wikipedia article of Miss Chalek after some changes have been made few days after the article was posted I have also read your comment according to which Chalek has supposedly "managed somehow to get her name mentioned in the Wikipedia article about Fashion design" Do you really think a millionaire individual with certainly a hectically insane schedule has time to waste worrying about her name being mentioned in a fashion design article? would you? I don't think so Last but not least, I have removed what I think has provoked the notice of removal as I have the firm conviction that lady deserves to be on wikipedia based on her notability in France, Dubai and US. Finally I strongly believe you shouldn't be making unfounded accusations towards a meritorious lady who has been giving back so much to the community. FYI she has been rewarded by the mayor of Dushanbe for her charitable work and donations she has made in favor of the poor over the past 2 years! Not everything is advertised through the media.Without people like her, many of my people wouldn't be alive.This message is from someone who knows about individuals that have made a good change in people's life — Preceding unsigned comment added by Judith321 (talk • contribs) 13:34, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment I did not intend to imply that Chalek had anything to do with the placement of her name in the Fashion design article, only that her name did end up there, and hence, has spread across the internet. I did intend to imply that the echoes of this Wikipedia article across the internet appear to form a large part of the available sourcing for this article.  This is not intended as a slur against Ms Malek; it only shows that the article is poorly sourced.  If better sourcing is available, I haven't been able to find it.  If Judith and IP:108... are such fervent fans, perhaps they are able to find better sourcing for the article.  As Judith says, not everything is "advertised through the media" (not that we want advertising anyway), but the media are the only way we at Wikipedia have of verifying the information in the article, so if the media haven't taken note of Ms Malek's accomplishments, neither can we.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:43, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Although it is not clear that Ms Chalek was at all involved in adding her name to the Fashion design article, her name was added by (on 27 March 2011), whose sole contributions to Wikipedia seemed to revolve around placing Ms Chalek's name in various articles, so one might reasonably suspect a case of either promotion or self-promotion.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:57, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep@Dan who seems like having some kind of vendetta against the publishing of the article: Your are right media is the only to verify the notability of someone.In this case I wonder how the article on Moulay Yacoubi hasn't been deleted as none of the reference on his page exist. When you click on it, you are redirected you inexistent pages: References[edit]


 * Comment I wouldn't call my actions a vendetta, but, yes, I do have a desire that the Myriam Chalek page be deleted. I would not have nominated it otherwise.  I support Wikipedia's goals of building a reliable encyclopedia and its policies of notability and verifiability that support that goal.  And I agree with IP:198... that the Moulay Yacoubi article is extremely poorly sourced and probably should be deleted.  I may take up that action myself.  But the existence of other poor articles on Wikipedia is not a valid reason to keep this poor article.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:16, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh! and she is also the one to thank for the new prom party trend that she has actively helped established in France. Before 2013, no high school had a prom party. Regarding the references issues I think some of the external links that talk about her work shall be put in the references section. Have a nice day everyone! Marie De Guillendshmidt Robert Schmidt — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.196.0.56 (talk) 23:15, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep I work as an orientation consultant in a private french fashion school in Paris and all the kids that come to me have mentioned at least once the name of Myriam Chalek and how easy she has made things for young graduate fashion designers aspiring to start their own fashion line! Madam Chalek has innovated the way of starting a fashion business giving the opportunity to whoever wants to be a fashion designers to do it without going through the logistics of a start up. I don't know much about her other businesses but all my fashion students know about the opportunity that Chalek gives to the artistic youth.
 * Comment That's a touching testimonial, and if we built Wikipedia on word of mouth it would be a nice addition, but we build Wikipedia on reliable sources, and so far, we have none. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:05, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * CommentDan, you should keep your irrelevant comment for yourself as they are not making the debate advance in any direction.Sarcastically saying that mary's comment is touching is subjective and irrelevant.As a representative of Wikipedia guidelines you are not setting a good example. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.27.117.111 (talk) 21:24, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment My apologies for being a bit snarky, but my comment was not irrelevant. My point was that this discussion needs to be based on Wikipedia guidelines and policies, not on personal reflections about Ms Chalek.  Based on the existing guidelines and policies, I do not see that Ms Chalek merits inclusion.  I have not yet seen any keep argument here that gives a policy-based reason why this article should not be deleted.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:11, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Myriam Chalek is an icon for fashion designers in United States. She has done a tremendous notable work as she has opened new horizons to anyone looking to start a clothing line without having to hire several organizations. Before Myriam Chalek/Creative Business House, 99% of aspiring fashion designers were discouraged by the logistics of starting a business and were reluctant to financially invest. Myriam Chalek has made entrepreneurship among fashion designers much simpler. I am actually surprised the article is being up for deletion as one would think that such prominent lady would have been in wikipedia after her first  or 2 years in business based on the remarkable profit of her company.
 * Keep: "Chalek's work has been published in ... High Cut, Emirates Woman, Vogue Paris, Numero, and Bon." --NearEMPTiness (talk) 21:15, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment No verification exists for that claim. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:38, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I can verify that there is a Vogue Paris magazine, but did not find Chalek there. http://en.vogue.fr/search/index?q=chalek
 * Can somebody please provide the direct URL to the piece about Chalek in Vogue-Paris?
 * The URL for the Vogue-Paris piece is the only kind of thing that will help keep the wikipedia article. Similarly, we need URLs for the other sources.  See WP:V, the sources must have a title, date, publisher, page number, that sort of thing.  The outcome of KEEP or the outcome of DELETE depends 100% on showing coverage of Myriam Chalek in reliable sources, which means URLs of fashion magazines, newspapers, books, and similar.  74.192.84.101 (talk) 22:33, 17 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete:This is clearly self promotion. Remove it. She also included herself in the Entrepreneurs page as a prominent entrepreneur of the 21st century! Come on, stop self-promotion Myriam and focus on your business... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.89.36.196 (talk • contribs)
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