Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Myriam Miedzian


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Salvio giuliano 08:22, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Myriam Miedzian

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Appears promo, not seeing PROF being met. She speaks quite a bit in the media about various issues, plenty of those clips found. Nothing about her as a person. Oaktree b (talk) 16:00, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Oaktree b (talk) 16:00, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women and Philosophy.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:25, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment: "Myriam Miedzian’s “Boys Will Be Boys,” which examined factors in aggression and violence in American males, was a sensation after it was first published in 1991." does suggest WP:NAUTHOR I'm working on the article now and will make more improvements before !vote CT55555 (talk) 21:27, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Her first book has attracted academic reviews, news articles and an invite on the Oprah Winfrey show (WP:NAUTHOR pass). Her efforts to get a statue of women in Central Park made news, including as recently as 2019. Other sources about that include SEMMES, A. W. Standing Tall. Greenwich Magazine, [s. l.], v. 69, n. 1, p. 28, 2016. Disponível em: https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=f6h&AN=111951170&site=eds-live&scope=site. Acesso em: 17 mar. 2023. I therefore conclude that she passes both NAUTHOR and WP:GNG. CT55555 (talk) 21:40, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:01, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. An earlier version of this page was deleted about a week ago on an expired PROD. It was apparently recreated manually without REFUND. I wonder if there was any material in the older version that ought to be salvaged. pburka (talk) 11:57, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - not enough in-depth coverage to meet GNG. If the book received coverage, that might warrant an article on that, but she certainly doesn't pass WP:GNG.  All the sourcing about her is simple mentions, not in-depth coverage.  And this article is in better shape than the one that was deleted through prod last time. Onel 5969  TT me 12:23, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep- A search finds articles from Forward, Time Magazine, CNN, La Jolla Light (also see here), Washington Post, Publishers Weekly (book reviews), Gender and Society journal, NASSP Bulletin, Gothamist, The Journal of Psychohistory, Sociology journal, San Diego Union Tribune, WQXR. She has been writer for Jewish Currents, HuffPost, and within Dissent Magazine, Tikkun, LA Times, Baltimore Sun, and Chicago Tribune. She also appeared on Charlie Rose. I would say this is sufficient enough to keep the entry.Historyday01 (talk) 01:01, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment, @Onel5969 now that I have created Boys Will Be Boys (book), could that persuade you that she is the major contributor to a notable work (i.e. a WP:AUTHOR pass)? The book truly is at the high end of the notability/impact spectrum. CT55555 (talk) 20:19, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi. Just because the book passes notability, doesn't make it significant or well-known (which are the qualifiers in NAUTHOR, not simply notable).  Gone With the Wind, Cry, the Beloved Country, To Kill a Mockingbird, Moby Dick, all significant.  I do not believe that an author who has a single book which passes notability criteria necessarily passes WP:NAUTHOR.  If they had multiple notable books, then yes. But you did a fine job on the book article. Onel 5969  TT me 20:47, 24 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment listed here to generate further discussion Lajmmoore (talk) 13:57, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm seeing a ton of coverage of her and her works spanning years.
 * And she had two notable books, it seems, as the Generations one has a fair bit of coverage too. But her Boys Will Be Boys book is very clearly a seminal work that received major focus, discussion, and had impact on later understanding of the topic of masculinity. Also,, my apologies, but I think I've given you a ton of more work to do on the book article you made. :P Hope what I've got above isn't too onerous. Silver  seren C 01:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Anyone can improve the book article. You go first. CT55555 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * And she had two notable books, it seems, as the Generations one has a fair bit of coverage too. But her Boys Will Be Boys book is very clearly a seminal work that received major focus, discussion, and had impact on later understanding of the topic of masculinity. Also,, my apologies, but I think I've given you a ton of more work to do on the book article you made. :P Hope what I've got above isn't too onerous. Silver  seren C 01:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Anyone can improve the book article. You go first. CT55555 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * And she had two notable books, it seems, as the Generations one has a fair bit of coverage too. But her Boys Will Be Boys book is very clearly a seminal work that received major focus, discussion, and had impact on later understanding of the topic of masculinity. Also,, my apologies, but I think I've given you a ton of more work to do on the book article you made. :P Hope what I've got above isn't too onerous. Silver  seren C 01:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Anyone can improve the book article. You go first. CT55555 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * And she had two notable books, it seems, as the Generations one has a fair bit of coverage too. But her Boys Will Be Boys book is very clearly a seminal work that received major focus, discussion, and had impact on later understanding of the topic of masculinity. Also,, my apologies, but I think I've given you a ton of more work to do on the book article you made. :P Hope what I've got above isn't too onerous. Silver  seren C 01:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Anyone can improve the book article. You go first. CT55555 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * And she had two notable books, it seems, as the Generations one has a fair bit of coverage too. But her Boys Will Be Boys book is very clearly a seminal work that received major focus, discussion, and had impact on later understanding of the topic of masculinity. Also,, my apologies, but I think I've given you a ton of more work to do on the book article you made. :P Hope what I've got above isn't too onerous. Silver  seren C 01:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Anyone can improve the book article. You go first. CT55555 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * And she had two notable books, it seems, as the Generations one has a fair bit of coverage too. But her Boys Will Be Boys book is very clearly a seminal work that received major focus, discussion, and had impact on later understanding of the topic of masculinity. Also,, my apologies, but I think I've given you a ton of more work to do on the book article you made. :P Hope what I've got above isn't too onerous. Silver  seren C 01:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Anyone can improve the book article. You go first. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(45deg,Red,Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">CT55555 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * And she had two notable books, it seems, as the Generations one has a fair bit of coverage too. But her Boys Will Be Boys book is very clearly a seminal work that received major focus, discussion, and had impact on later understanding of the topic of masculinity. Also,, my apologies, but I think I've given you a ton of more work to do on the book article you made. :P Hope what I've got above isn't too onerous. Silver  seren C 01:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Anyone can improve the book article. You go first. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(45deg,Red,Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">CT55555 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * And she had two notable books, it seems, as the Generations one has a fair bit of coverage too. But her Boys Will Be Boys book is very clearly a seminal work that received major focus, discussion, and had impact on later understanding of the topic of masculinity. Also,, my apologies, but I think I've given you a ton of more work to do on the book article you made. :P Hope what I've got above isn't too onerous. Silver  seren C 01:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Anyone can improve the book article. You go first. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(45deg,Red,Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">CT55555 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * And she had two notable books, it seems, as the Generations one has a fair bit of coverage too. But her Boys Will Be Boys book is very clearly a seminal work that received major focus, discussion, and had impact on later understanding of the topic of masculinity. Also,, my apologies, but I think I've given you a ton of more work to do on the book article you made. :P Hope what I've got above isn't too onerous. Silver  seren C 01:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Anyone can improve the book article. You go first. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(45deg,Red,Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">CT55555 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * And she had two notable books, it seems, as the Generations one has a fair bit of coverage too. But her Boys Will Be Boys book is very clearly a seminal work that received major focus, discussion, and had impact on later understanding of the topic of masculinity. Also,, my apologies, but I think I've given you a ton of more work to do on the book article you made. :P Hope what I've got above isn't too onerous. Silver  seren C 01:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Anyone can improve the book article. You go first. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(45deg,Red,Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">CT55555 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * And she had two notable books, it seems, as the Generations one has a fair bit of coverage too. But her Boys Will Be Boys book is very clearly a seminal work that received major focus, discussion, and had impact on later understanding of the topic of masculinity. Also,, my apologies, but I think I've given you a ton of more work to do on the book article you made. :P Hope what I've got above isn't too onerous. Silver  seren C 01:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Anyone can improve the book article. You go first. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(45deg,Red,Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">CT55555 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * And she had two notable books, it seems, as the Generations one has a fair bit of coverage too. But her Boys Will Be Boys book is very clearly a seminal work that received major focus, discussion, and had impact on later understanding of the topic of masculinity. Also,, my apologies, but I think I've given you a ton of more work to do on the book article you made. :P Hope what I've got above isn't too onerous. Silver  seren C 01:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Anyone can improve the book article. You go first. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(45deg,Red,Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">CT55555 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * And she had two notable books, it seems, as the Generations one has a fair bit of coverage too. But her Boys Will Be Boys book is very clearly a seminal work that received major focus, discussion, and had impact on later understanding of the topic of masculinity. Also,, my apologies, but I think I've given you a ton of more work to do on the book article you made. :P Hope what I've got above isn't too onerous. Silver  seren C 01:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Anyone can improve the book article. You go first. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(45deg,Red,Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">CT55555 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * And she had two notable books, it seems, as the Generations one has a fair bit of coverage too. But her Boys Will Be Boys book is very clearly a seminal work that received major focus, discussion, and had impact on later understanding of the topic of masculinity. Also,, my apologies, but I think I've given you a ton of more work to do on the book article you made. :P Hope what I've got above isn't too onerous. Silver  seren C 01:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Anyone can improve the book article. You go first. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(45deg,Red,Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">CT55555 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * And she had two notable books, it seems, as the Generations one has a fair bit of coverage too. But her Boys Will Be Boys book is very clearly a seminal work that received major focus, discussion, and had impact on later understanding of the topic of masculinity. Also,, my apologies, but I think I've given you a ton of more work to do on the book article you made. :P Hope what I've got above isn't too onerous. Silver  seren C 01:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Anyone can improve the book article. You go first. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(45deg,Red,Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">CT55555 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * And she had two notable books, it seems, as the Generations one has a fair bit of coverage too. But her Boys Will Be Boys book is very clearly a seminal work that received major focus, discussion, and had impact on later understanding of the topic of masculinity. Also,, my apologies, but I think I've given you a ton of more work to do on the book article you made. :P Hope what I've got above isn't too onerous. Silver  seren C 01:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Anyone can improve the book article. You go first. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(45deg,Red,Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">CT55555 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * And she had two notable books, it seems, as the Generations one has a fair bit of coverage too. But her Boys Will Be Boys book is very clearly a seminal work that received major focus, discussion, and had impact on later understanding of the topic of masculinity. Also,, my apologies, but I think I've given you a ton of more work to do on the book article you made. :P Hope what I've got above isn't too onerous. Silver  seren C 01:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Anyone can improve the book article. You go first. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(45deg,Red,Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">CT55555 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * And she had two notable books, it seems, as the Generations one has a fair bit of coverage too. But her Boys Will Be Boys book is very clearly a seminal work that received major focus, discussion, and had impact on later understanding of the topic of masculinity. Also,, my apologies, but I think I've given you a ton of more work to do on the book article you made. :P Hope what I've got above isn't too onerous. Silver  seren C 01:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Anyone can improve the book article. You go first. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(45deg,Red,Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">CT55555 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * And she had two notable books, it seems, as the Generations one has a fair bit of coverage too. But her Boys Will Be Boys book is very clearly a seminal work that received major focus, discussion, and had impact on later understanding of the topic of masculinity. Also,, my apologies, but I think I've given you a ton of more work to do on the book article you made. :P Hope what I've got above isn't too onerous. Silver  seren C 01:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Anyone can improve the book article. You go first. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(45deg,Red,Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">CT55555 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep Somewhere up there is enough to pass GNG. Definitely more notable than most NSPORTS bios.  // Timothy :: talk 
 * Comment. Over the years, we've had quite a few authors and artists brought to AfD on the basis that they've only produced one notable work. This is wikilawyering and is a waste of time. If the notable work already has an article, then, instead of deletion, initiate a discussion to merge the author's page into the page about their work. If the notable work doesn't already have an article, then move (or propose moving) the creator's page to their creation and do some light editing to change the focus. In either case, the problems are WP:SURMOUNTABLE and deletion doesn't improve the encyclopedia. pburka (talk) 15:55, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * While I agree with the spirit of the comment about, I want to be fair to the delete voters (who I disagree with) and acknowledge that the article was in a poorer state and the notability of her book was not clear at the time of nomination. I created the book article and improved the article since the nomination. At risk of self-congratulation, I think WP:HEY slightly applies here and I urge delete voters to reconsider. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(45deg,Red,Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">CT55555 (talk) 15:59, 29 March 2023 (UTC)


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