Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mystic prayer


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The result was   redirect to Contemplative prayer. Spartaz Humbug! 05:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Mystic prayer

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Neologism. No evidence that this an established term. Pure original research. &mdash; RHaworth 17:43, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Comment withdrawn. —  C M B J   23:13, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Mystic Prayer sounds like "Mystical Prayer." Mystical prayer is also called Contemplative prayer. Since there is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemplative_prayer in wikipedia, this article on "Mystic Prayer" is redundant. BTW Mysitcal Prayer is well documented: A partial listing of books from Google :
 * Mystical prayer in ancient Judaism: an analysis of Maʻaseh merkavah By Michael D. Swartz


 * Mystical Prayer Is for (Almost) Everyone By Ernest J. Fiedler, Lawrence S. Cunningham


 * Mystical prayer according to St. Jane de Chantal


 * Guidelines for Mystical Prayer


 * Mystical prayer according to St. Francis de Sales


 * Mystical prayer for all

These are some of the many books on Mystical Prayer. Prsaucer1958 (talk) 19:27, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Reply to comment. Please note that prayer in mysticism is very different then mystic prayer. Alan347 (talk) 20:59, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. You are very right in saying that mystic prayer sounds a lot like mystical prayer. Mystic and mystical have the same connotation. However, my choice of mystic over mystical is because it is mystic that implies the 'of' as in 'related to' prayer itself while in mystical, the 'of' as in the 'related to' is to the term 'mystic'. therefore the term mystical is further removed from the adjective mystic, which I am using here to describe this sort of prayer. Alan347 (talk) 20:59, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - original research. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 21:07, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Reply to prev. - Mystical prayer is documented, refer to list of books generated online search engine, on the talk:Mystic prayer Alan347 (talk) 21:47, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Contemplative prayer per Prsaucer --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 21:23, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Reply to Redirect Mystic prayer focuses on the transcendent element of prayer. Alan347 (talk) 21:45, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment The following two books which are related to "mystic prayer" as opposed to "mystical prayer" shows at least that the term "Mystic Prayer" is not the neologism of the author. (1) The prayer of simplicity: the link between meditation and mystic prayer (2) Common Mystic Prayer  Prsaucer1958 (talk) 22:43, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:56, 3 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge/redirect to Contemplative prayer - either it's a basic synonym (the main cited source refers to it as "so-called passive or mystical prayer") and we can just redirect, or it's subtly different, in which case it only needs a sentence in the "Contemplative prayer" article. --McGeddon (talk) 09:59, 3 July 2010 (UTC)


 * reply: Mystic prayer represents the dynamics of prayer where God communicates to the person. That's why it is mystic, partly shrouded where it can never be understood fully, however as I quoted from the Catholic Encyclopedia in the article mystic prayer
 * Mystery, in its strict theological sense is not synonymous with the incomprehensible, since all that we know is incomprehensible, i.e., not adequately comprehensible as to its inner being; nor with the unknowable, since many things merely natural are accidentally unknowable, on account of their inaccessibility, e.g., things that are future, remote, or hidden. In its strict sense a mystery is a supernatural truth, one that of its very nature lies above the finite intelligence.
 * Prayer is always mystic because it always admits of the dynamism where God communicates back to the person. In the article Mystic prayer, this is put in the foreground. That is why I wanted to include the article as an original entry and as the focus of teaching so widely discussed in religion - refer to Prsaucer1958's google book research where mystic prayer is the subject of two books. Alan347 (talk) 06:45, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If prayer is always mystic, then I guess we don't need a separate article on "mystic prayer" when we already have one on "prayer." --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 16:26, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it is always mystic, its just that we are not always aware of its mystic element. in mystic prayer it is put in the foreground. Mystic prayer is the subject of much concern. Alan347 (talk) 18:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge/redirect to Contemplative prayer. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 02:38, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
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