Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Myth of Skanderbeg


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. v/r - TP 15:52, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Myth of Skanderbeg

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Myth of Skanderbeg is another WP:CFORK essay like the recently deleted Myth of Albanian Indifference to Religion. The sources themselves deal with various subjects including Skanderbeg, however, the myth of Skanderbeg appears only as a briefly mentioned phrase in very few of them. Many sections of the article don't even deal with aspects of Skanderbeg's life. For example Albanian intelligentsia proudly asserted: "We Albanians are the original and autochthonous race of the Balkans. The Slavs are conquerors and immigrants who came but yesterday from Asia."-- — ZjarriRrethues'' — talk 10:45, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, essay with no encyclopedic value. --Vinie007 11:27, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, it seems a well-sourced article. Takabeg (talk) 12:09, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It's an essay, whose sources have been misrepresented and have no relation to the supposed subject.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 12:55, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I cannot compare with the article Myth of Albanian Indifference to Religion, because I've never read it. We have article Skanderbeg in literature and art. As long as I understand, the article Skanderbeg is too crowded to be merge. Takabeg (talk) 13:37, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Skanderbeg in literature and art was created as a split, but Myth of Skanderbeg is neither a split nor a subject.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 15:08, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete, Vinnie said it all... Fork to be merged with Scanderbeg.Majuru (talk) 13:28, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 15:13, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. This is the second time this article is been nominated for deletion. The subject of this article is Skanderbeg as National myth which doesn't necessarily imply that Sk. is a pure myth. It could be incorporated in the Skanderbeg article if the latter was stable and neutral. Unfortunatelly, that article is constantly guarded by certain users who erase everything that does not fit in the standard Albanian version of the history. The article may change up to 20 times per day and is hopelessly cluttered with surpassed nationalistic hymns and POV and is almost sure that if the "Myth of Sk" is merged in there, it will soon be anihilated by various tricks. This article must stay for the serious reader who wants to learn the history of Sk's interpretation as a hero, which is something different from the history of Sk. himshelf. --Euzen (talk) 17:27, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This is the first time this article gets nominated for deletion. The article's sources don't deal with this subject and only very few of them mention the title (each in a different context). That being said most parts aren't even about Skanderbeg like the Albanian intelligentsia proudly asserted: "We Albanians are the original and autochthonous race of the Balkans. The Slavs are conquerors and immigrants who came but yesterday from Asia."-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 17:32, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Correction. It was nominated for merging on 24/3/2011 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Myth_of_Skanderbeg) which closed with no consensus. Is this nomination for deletion a proposal that the information of this article has to vanish altogether? --Euzen (talk) 11:53, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment – (No vote.) Article could become worthy via more research and use of reliable sources. There is a degree of synthesis occurring in the article as it currently exists. Northamerica1000 (talk) 01:02, 7 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. I am involved user because I am one of the main contributors to the article. The article's topic is myth which exists and meets all Notability guideline requests. It is well-researched and have significant coverage by many reliable sources which are verifiable and independent from the subject. There is no other article about this myth on wikipedia. According to WP:DEL any dispute over page content should be dealt at the relevant talk page not by deleting the article. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 06:48, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. The article is a pure POV article with no encyclopedic value.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 20:32, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * According to WP:DEL any dispute over page content should be dealt at the relevant talk page not by deleting the article.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 06:26, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. Based on the title, this gives some depth of coverage and shows that Skanderberg was made quasi-mythical. It could theoretically be merged into Skanderberg's article, like Mao's personality cult. As a side note, the nominator and article creator seem to have a history of disagreeing over content issues, like at Durrës County (Kingdom of Serbia). I hope the nominator is not using AFD to try and settle a conflict. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:41, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Vinnie. Stuartyeates (talk) 23:24, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.