Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NASCAR's 75 Greatest Drivers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Definitely some clean up work that can be done and good points about duplication but reasonable arguments on both sides and multiple relists with no added clarity means defaulting to the status quo and keeping for now. James of UR (talk) 19:59, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

NASCAR's 75 Greatest Drivers

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NLIST. Lack of reliable, non-primary sources discussing this list of NASCAR drivers in detail. I found some secondary coverage regarding individual drivers being added to the list, but nothing on the list as a whole.

Note to those searching to also try "NASCAR's 50 Greatest Drivers" as that was what this list was known as from 1998 until this year. &#8213;  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  23:38, 8 May 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 05:10, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Lists of people,  and Motorsport. &#8213;  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  23:38, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose Similar pages exist (50 Greatest Players in NBA History and 100 Greatest NHL Players to name two). On a quick search, several sources discussing the list itself can be found. I can work on more sources, however deletion is uneccessary. Glman99 (talk) 00:32, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I've added several sources today, have a few more I need to look into. There is certainly even more coverage in newspapers from 1998, just need to track more down. Glman99 (talk) 16:31, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing any WP:SUSTAINED coverage; all of the added sources are WP:ROUTINE coverings of either the initial 1998 unveiling or the 2023 expansion. There is nothing which indicates that this is anything more than a promotional list made up by the league to celebrate it's anniversaries. Who was on the "panel" and how were they selected? &#8213;  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  03:25, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Seems well sourced with citations in RS. I see no need to delete it. Could use more critical discussion on the subject. Oaktree b (talk) 15:05, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 04:10, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep or switch to a template - The list has some importance and notability but I would say that the article should be deleted if it is to remain the way it looks now. However, I think we should keep it and make it like the List of members of the NASCAR Hall of Fame article where each driver and their career accomplishments are listed. If we don't expand the article, I think that the article should be deleted but we should create a template of the 75 Greatest Drivers and have it in the external links section of the articles of each driver on the list.Cavanaughs (talk) 09:31, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I think adding information about accomplishments is a great suggestion. I considered this earlier as well! Glman99 (talk) 13:28, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete - Entirely subjective list based on a single source. Carrite (talk) 15:42, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * There are multiple sources on the page and similar "subjective" lists exist when made by other sports (NBA & NHL). Glman99 (talk) 23:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: meets WP:CLN, AOAL for navigation.  // Timothy :: talk  22:02, 27 May 2023 (UTC)


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