Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NFL opening day standings


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. The keep !votes are heard, but the synth/OR has not particularly been addressed. That said, there's been virtually no discussion since 23 December. Discussion on a rename (and to what) can continue on the target or this can be re-nominated if nom doesn't find resolution to the raised issues there. Star  Mississippi  15:31, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

NFL opening day standings

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Fails WP:NLIST and I don't believe it can get to a point where it would pass because historical records of teams in x week (week 1 in this case) are not typically discussed or covered. Up to date sourcing (not including the 2023 season) does exist and is created by the NFL, but it's amongst 800+ pages of records and facts that the NFL tracks here. Not every stat is meaningful enough to merit its own list and I don't believe that there's enough coverage of this contextual stat to justify it. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:25, 22 December 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:42, 29 December 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Arbitrarily0   ( talk ) 03:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: American football and Lists. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:25, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: as far as I can tell, this article is entirely rooted in WP:OR/WP:SYNTH because there doesn't appear to be any league-wide focused statistical treatment of cumulative opening day games either from the NFL or from reliable independent third parties. Left guide (talk) 21:58, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Left guide: I don't believe it's OR based on the link I included in my nomination statement (see page numbered 293). The NFL regularly puts out these record books each year and there's a reference to the 2003 version of this doc in the article, with references to 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007 from ESPN to supplement the info from the 2003 book. That's why I mentioned the lack of coverage of these records in other sources. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:07, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for sharing and for the page number, so then in that case, if that’s the only source that doesn’t violate OR/SYNTH, then what we are dealing with here is a WP article reflecting a single page of stats that doesn’t include any WP:SIGCOV prose or context, thus violating WP:NOTSTATS. Do you agree with this assessment? Left guide (talk) 22:20, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Left guide: I do think it currently fails WP:NOTSTATS as well, but I also understand context can be added, which is why I was more focused on NLIST as the rationale. Sigcov on opening day records of franchises is not something I've been able to find. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:30, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * well there’s team-by-team coverage available, but given that this article is meant to be league-wide, then league-wide WP:SIGCOV would need to be presented to make a case for keeping. Left guide (talk) 22:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Sources: alright for starters, there's this historical guide, and this article about most memorable games, and this article about most lopsided games. Left guide (talk) 22:39, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep and move to NFL Week 1 (or a similar title) for expansion and fuller encyclopedic treatment, this would be like the Opening Day article for baseball. I’ve found lots of overview-level coverage of the NFL's Week 1/opening weekend as a cohesive topic (a few examples are presented above), and the standings are but one aspect of this topic overall. Left guide (talk) 05:00, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think that's risky for WP:PANDORA to move to "week 1". There are only 18 weeks in the regular season and it's not a team's record during any week would have a certain level of coverage. It doesn't make that as a topic itself notable. If anything, I'd argue the subject of a team's final regular season game to be a more notable topic, and even that, that's not something that I think we should have a standalone list for. Hey man im josh (talk) 01:35, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Just to be more clear, I'm open to the idea of opening week as a subject (not under the proposed name), but I don't think a list of a team's overall record for week 1 is an appropriate independent list. Hey man im josh (talk) 01:43, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep and move per Left Guide. Azuredivay (talk) 11:24, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Final relist. I see a rough consensus to Keep (although no agreement about where to move the article) but I haven't seen a complete rebuttal to the nominator's argument. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:25, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to NFL Opening Week or similar per above. NFL Week 1 would be too contentious and definitely opens the door for every week to have its own article. However, this article alone would need extra trivia or content on the matter. It shouldn't be focused on just the list. Conyo14 (talk) 17:35, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.