Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nabih Naamtallah Azzi


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Nabih Naamtallah Azzi

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Non-notable person. The subject of local notoriety and legend / gossip, but no real notability. Sourced entirely to a private family website. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:45, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Cedrus Libani: — Preceding unsigned comment added by CedrusLibani075 (talk • contribs) 14:54, 29 January 2015 (UTC) Page does in fact detail a culturally relevant person with regards to the history of Tabarja. This page involves aspects of local beliefs on the person, but does not stray so far as to declare the person mythical in any way. If there is anything in particular you want removed, feel free to actually edit the article. However, this person is important to the history of not only Tabarja, but also to all of the Kesrwan region. An industrialist who modernized the local infrastructure, connected the city to the first electrical grid in the country, and paved the old dirt roads seems worthy of mention.

More sources will be found, if the family website doesn't suit you then don't bother using the Kennedy family website or the Royal family website to source their articles. Also of note, I belong to the Nakouzi family, I'm not writing an article about a family member or for personal reasons. I am attempting to document the history of the area, and he is a big part of it.
 * Comment The articles on John F. Kennedy or the British Royal Family use websites dedicated to those families, but not exclusively. Those articles are well-sourced with reliable secondary sources as well. Should you be able to provide such reliable secondary sources about this subject, I would welcome them. And surely you can recognize the difference in significance between the President of the United States or the British Royal Family and the mayor of a town in Lebanon. It may well be that Azzi is significant in the history of Tabarja, but unless that significance extends beyond Tabarja, that still may not merit inclusion. Local notability is not the same as global notability.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:06, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

I wish to emphasize that I'm not approaching this on some unabashed emotional tantrum, I really do think this page has merit. I understand your point, however I have to respectfully disagree. Nabih Azzi is not only known in Tabarja, but throughout the Kesrwan region, which I mind you holds almost a quarter of Lebanon's Maronite population. Yes, I understand he doesn't make it into the history books, but that's because there are none in the region dedicated to the history of Kesrwan in recent times. This article is made with the intention of informing the public, not deceiving them. And quite frankly, it's not anyones place to determine if a single person who is important to one group but not another does not merit mention in what is suppossed to be the human encyclopedia.

Also, I was not referencing president Kennedy, I was referring to his father the industrialist. And yes, two large families who are noteworthy in their localities are worthy of comparison. The Azzi family hold the same status of the Khazen and Sursok families in the region, both of which hardly have verifiable references in their pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CedrusLibani075 (talk • contribs) 15:14, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment It is unfortunate that the history of the Maronite population in Lebanon is ill-documented, but Wikipedia can't solve that problem. If there are no reliable sources, there are no reliable sources. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:31, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
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