Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nadra Panjwani


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Szzuk (talk) 16:25, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Nadra Panjwani

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Unelected MP, and an interim cabinet minister. As discussed at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people), I don't think interim cabinet minister are something that would be expected to have an article on English Wikipedia, unless pass GNG.

Subject also lacks non-trivial coverage from independent reliable sources and therefore does not appear to meet basic GNG as well.

A similar BLP was recently deleted Articles for deletion/Waleed Tariq Saigol. Saqib (talk) 08:33, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:10, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep: Holding ministerial office, even in a "caretaker" cabinet, appears to pass WP:NPOL ("held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office". And she has the 2nd-highest civilian honour in her country. The discussion about caretaker minister notability seems inconclusive.  Pam  D  08:34, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete From previous discussion ofa similar case "Caretaker" ministers, generally civil servants who held the office solely by virtue of being the top person in the line of succession between the end of the previous holder's term and the appointment or election of the official new permanent holder, are not entitled to the same automatic presumption of notability that a regular cabinet minister would get.  seems to indicate this person was simply a civil servant in a caretaker role.  Also severely lacking in sources to demonstrate notability. ,. WCM email 12:23, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - notable in its own right. She is the recipient of two awards including the 2nd-highest civilian honour which is enough to pass WP:ANYBIO. Her philanthropist contributions are also note-worthy + caretaker ministry. Störm   (talk)  18:36, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Plenty of evidence of notability between position in government, significant award, and philanthropy. Sydney Poore/FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 19:54, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as it stands. I believe she fails WP:NPOL and the sources (government, her philanthropy organisation) are WP:PRIMARY. If someone adds more, willing to take another look. SportingFlyer  talk  01:59, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I now have no opinion, as there's coverage of her receiving the major award in English-language Pakistani publications. I have no opinion on whether this is an automatic notability pass, but less concerned about deleting based on the bad sourcing per WP:NEXIST. SportingFlyer  talk  21:26, 30 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep the subject cant get a free pass for WP:NPOL because it was an extremely short term post. There is a clear consensus among editors at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people) to not give such a free pass. I am inclined to vote Keep only because I believe a person getting both the 2nd and 3rd highest civilian award passes the notability criteria. The notable work that they did to deserve these 2 awards also makes them notable to pass WP:NBIO. Saqib do you have any reasons to disregard these awards, let me know and I am willing to reconsider my !vote. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  21:12, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to withdraw this nom if these receipt of awards can be verified via independent sources. --Saqib (talk) 08:27, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks like she gets a mention if not an article in English-language Pakistani press such as Dawn. Don't have the source at the moment, though, but easily found with a web search. SportingFlyer  talk  08:49, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   11:51, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep I can quite quickly find mentions of her in her capacities as minister, donor of university research centres, etc, (including quotes of remarks she made) over at least a 6 year period in papers like Pakistan Today, Business Recorder, The Express Tribune, Dawn, and The International News. RebeccaGreen (talk) 08:54, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * but mentions are exactly the sort of sourcing that does not show notability. DGG ( talk ) 21:23, 30 October 2018 (UTC)


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