Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Naftoli Carlebach


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The result was   no consensus. Jayjg (talk) 03:01, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Naftoli Carlebach

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The entire article is based on one obituary, and I cannot find any other reliable sources to indicate notability. Although the subject is the father and father-in-law of notable people, notability is not inherited. (BTW this is a cousin, not the father, of Shlomo Carlebach.) Yoninah (talk) 15:41, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. Yoninah (talk) 15:41, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. It is a good start to a biography and part of the Carlebach rabbinic dynasty. In the case of a WP:NOTABLE rabbinic family or dynasty (see an example at Category:Soloveitchik rabbinic dynasty), the WP rule of "notability is not inherited" is not clear. There is nothing inherently notable about Prince Harry of Britain except that he is the descendant of royalty but in this case this rabbi has more notable and meaningful accomplishments. IZAK (talk) 17:22, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note, the article now has several more references. IZAK (talk) 18:32, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 18:36, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: As you can see from the edit history, I tried to improve this article before questioning the subject's notability. I agree that it would be nice to save it, but the sources that you added are rather trivial – lists of teachers at the yeshiva, a passing note in an interview, a blog from some woman. Yoninah (talk) 20:50, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per IZAK. Alessandra Napolitano (talk) 19:58, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Credible claim of notability, with additional sources added by IZAK providing further evidence. Additional sources are available, though the paucity of online access to references for this subject and in this time period makes finding material using Google all the more challenging. Alansohn (talk) 21:30, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. More sources are available under this alternative spelling: . Phil Bridger (talk) 22:39, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Phil. But most if not all of those cites are for Naftoli Carlebach's cousin, the father of Shlomo Carlebach. Yoninah (talk) 22:51, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. IZAK is wrong that being a member of a notable family automatically confers notability, that's why we're constantly agreeing to delete articles on minor Greek royals. Harry is notable because he has received coverage in reliable sources. Carlebach has not. As Yoninah says, the sources are trivial (others are otherwise insufficient, unreliable and/or referring to a different person). –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 22:36, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


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