Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nagura Hiroo (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 16:04, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Nagura Hiroo
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After several searches, including both standard web searches (,, as well as some more art-specific publications from library databases), I'm unable to find sufficient reliable sources to support this article. It was already deleted once in 2012 for that reason, and I can't find any reason to think that anything has changed. The "sources" cited within the article are Pinterest, Facebook, Instagram, and similarly nonreliable sources. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 23:48, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 02:25, 10 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment the subject has a Japanese Wiki. I will need to do more research. Lightburst (talk) 02:24, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment looks potentially notable, but also puffed up-- not only in the wiki page. We need some Japanese speakers to dissect this one. The biography section appears to be copyvio from this source, but I am not sure which came first.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:34, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I put a delsort in the Japan and artist sections. These foregn language articles are difficult. I certainly do not want to delete a master painter. we should likely remove copyvio. Also not finding a Bio is problematic. Lightburst (talk) 02:55, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , agree that he may be notable. But it may also be a case where the artist himself has puffed up claims, so I will wait for a Japanese speaker to weigh in. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:02, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Good plan. It is on my watch list, so I can change my !vote if new information comes to light. Lightburst (talk) 03:04, 10 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep for now WP:CREATIVE I am unable to confirm the many awards that this painter has allegedly received. Many of the awards are not known by me, so that may not qualify him for WP:ANYBIO. The artist web site has impressive accomplishments listed, and the art work is also impressive. The artist appears to be published and reviewed - and claims to have had a recent exhibition in Tokyo Japan. Much is in Japanese language. And more Japanese language (with video of exhibition). Lightburst (talk) 02:50, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. Most of the Japanese Wiki page was written by two editors, writing over a period of years and barely overlapping, who only worked on that article and have never edited elsewhere. They also have empty user pages. Much of this article has the same sort of history (but with a different editor). It's important to assume good faith, but that sort of editing history gives me some cause for concern. Dekimasu よ! 13:13, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the research. It is true that I have been unable to confirm the many awards that the subject claims. Additionally I have found no biographies or news announcements of the subject's exhibitions. It may be a case where the subject has generated these things. I am willing to !vote delete if at least another editor comes up empty as the participants here have. Lightburst (talk) 14:42, 10 November 2019 (UTC)


 * , thank you for looking into this!ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:11, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I cannot verify his notability through sources. This may be a language issue, or it may be that the claims have been inflated (E.g. I find it odd that an artist's bio would mention three magazine articles in it-- any notable artist has lots of magazine articles). So, delete per WP:VERIFIABLE.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:54, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Followup: I just removed six non-reliable sources: two instagram, two Pinterest and two Facebook.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:46, 11 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete I cannot confirm the awards claimed on the subject's web site, and cannot conform any exhibitions or bio. Wikipedia should not be the creator of the first biography on a person. Lightburst (talk) 03:19, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete or move to draft. I can't read Japanese; but whatever that single reference says, one source is not enough to establish notability. The article could be improved by removing the long unreferenced list of "achievements", mostly non-notable awards. And the list of "Published books" – are these books that the subject wrote, or just works that mention him? Maproom (talk) 07:31, 11 November 2019 (UTC)


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