Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Namira Salim


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The result was   keep. Black Kite (t) (c) 11:55, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Namira Salim

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This article relies upon blatantly false information to establish notability. No one by the name of the subject flew in space in 2009 as the article states. Also, I am extremely worried by what looks to be an extremely close paraphrase of the references provided. -MBK004 06:36, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources, yes she did; she was shortlisted as one of the 100 space tourists who were designed to go tour space with the commercial space liner Virgin Galactic. And if this was false information, there are hundreds of reports from popular media about this subject which greatly contradict your findings. Mar4d (talk) 09:01, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the year may have been put wrong; there are some old sources which mention 2008 while others specifically talk about Virgin Galactic starting operations by 2009. It must be established when this batch of 100 tourists actually went; Mar4d (talk) 09:10, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * This article mentions the same mission on which Salim was designated; it says here "Even though Virgin Galactic executives have said they expect the company to be first to take a group of tourists into space in 2008, it looks like 2009 is a better bet." I am quite sure the first space liner was launched in 2009; Mar4d (talk) 09:20, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * This is false information, I challenge you to find just one new article from this year that states that she actually flew to space in 2009. You will not find one! The articles being referenced for these facts are at least two years old. Also, before guessing about the scheduling of Virgin Galactic, why don't you actually read the Virgin Galactic article. The space ship the tourists will fly on has only just begun its test flights! The referenced information is false, it uses promotional materials for events which have not happened yet. The subject of this article does not meet the notability requirements until she flies in space. -MBK004 09:36, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Then perhaps you can also answer my question of how she "presented" the first national flag "sent into space" to the Prime Minister during an EU-Pakistan summit. Mar4d (talk) 10:17, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Because it was sent into space on a small unmanned Rexus rocket, as per the source I've referenced below. ChiZeroOne (talk) 11:02, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


 * This woman cannot have flown in space as described for the simple reason Virgin Galactic have yet to fly any tourists into space, the development of the full commercial vehicle (SpaceShipTwo/WhiteKnightTwo) has taken longer than expected due to a number of set-backs. As said by User:MBK004 (talk), testing has only recently begun as you can see from the respective pages, as far as I'm aware not yet even above the Kármán line.  There is a reason you can only find 2-3 year old stories claiming she will be an astronaut, and not "hundreds of reports" of the actual event, because it hasn't happened.  Unfortunately other comments misleadingly imply support for the above,
 * "On June 3, during an EU-Pakistani Summit in Brussels, Namira Salim presented the Prime Minister with the first national flag sent to space."
 * See, "The flag was flown to sub-orbital space on a special test flight of the Rexus 6 Sounding Rocket". I.e an unmanned flight.
 * In short the article is fundamentally misleading, and the subject would appear currently of questionable notability. If kept then the article would require sorting out. ChiZeroOne (talk) 10:58, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, I seem to get the point now. However, the article should still be kept as she is notable. The Ministry of Information and Broadcasting (Pakistan) has officially dubbed her as Pakistan's 'first astronaut' and the media has constantly portrayed her as a 'role model.' Besides, she's also known for her expeditions and being the only Pakistani to have travelled to the North and South Poles and skydived from Mount Everest. In other words, she's clearly a noteworthy explorer. I'll also change the lead now as it contains false information. Thanks once again, ChiZeroOne, for getting to the bottom of this. Mar4d (talk)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep as the factual inaccuracies seem to have been addressed. However I still have notability concerns, and the copyvio/plagarism/paraphrasing concerns also remain. - The Bushranger Return fire Flank speed 16:21, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:32, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Weak keep; Namira Salim's achievements are real and authenticated. Nevertheless more reliable references are needed.Rirunmot (talk) 23:17, 5 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment: If the article is to be retained, it needs to be rewritten. Previously deleted as a pastiche copyright violation by User:Marduking, it has been recreated with pastiche content copied from some of the same sources. It came due for admin review today and has been relisted to allow more time for this to be addressed. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:38, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep per the sources available at this Gnews search. Noted in the press for her still not happened yet astronaut career, but also for being the first Pakistani woman to the North and South poles, and a bit for her art work. The current article needs to be zapped, but I would hope to get round to re-writing it in the next few days. Bigger digger (talk) 13:18, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment:The current version is both copyvio and flawed on a number of levels, and I'm not convinced that the points made about this have been adequately addressed. I have no problem with there being an article about the subject, as long as their current notable achievements are given due weight and are the primary thrust of the article/lead.  Talk of the aspiration of becoming an astronaut should be relatively limited, with care taken that statements do not mislead.  Whether this version gets deleted and a new one created, or someone is allowed to re-write this one, I suppose is up to the admin. ChiZeroOne (talk) 13:59, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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