Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nanjing No.13 Middle School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Atlantic306 (talk) 19:11, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Nanjing No.13 Middle School

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Non-notable middle school, even though the article incorrectly says it is a senior high school.  Onel 5969  TT me 19:32, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. IntoThinAir (formerly Everymorning)  talk  20:58, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. IntoThinAir (formerly Everymorning)  talk  20:58, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:14, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Maybe move to Nanjing No.13 High School Education Group, but this article seems to require editors with good Chinese language skills. Jack N. Stock (talk) 00:07, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Reading the machine translation of the article on the Chinese Wikipedia and the English-language section of the school's web site, it looks like something was lost in translation and this is a high school. "Middle school" might mean something different in China to what it means in the US. Jack N. Stock (talk) 02:36, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe move to Nanjing No.13 High School because the name on the school badge is "High School" not "Middle School". — phenolla 🖋 talk · contribs 03:18, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Where did you find that? The logo I found on the web site says Nanjing No.13 Middle School. Jack N. Stock (talk) 03:40, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I've checked the badge on the Chinese website. The one with name "high school" was an old badge and no longer used. Current name on the badge is "Nanjing No.13 Middle School" as the official website shows. Although "middle school" on the school logo, it is a senior high school, because I was graduate from there. Also, the official website on the page links to the senior high school part of the education group. I think the "official" translation given by the school is wrong, so it's better and safer to move it to Nanjing No.13 High School Education Group. — phenolla 🖋 talk · contribs 17:36, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Education group? How about Nanjing No. 13 School instead? AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:08, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Read http://www.nj13z.cn/News/Details/2994. Jack N. Stock (talk) 03:14, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - conditionally. I believe that "middle school" in China is directly equivalent to "high school" as used in the West. (The notion being it was in the middle between basic 3R type education and directed, what the West would call "post-secondary" education).  I'm not certain of my memory on this, but I believe  would have specific knowledge and I am pinging him simply for clarification.  I could care less how he !votes! John from Idegon (talk) 20:19, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Additonal info provided by WTM clears up my issue and moves this from just a keep to a Strong keep. John from Idegon (talk) 01:06, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - In China what they call a "middle school" or zhōng​xué (中学) really means any secondary school; even though many such zhongxue are called 'middle school" in English they're just using a super-literal translation of each character, and the name in Chinese uses zhōng​xué. The question is whether this "middle school" has a senior high school section or not; my understanding is most do, but some do not. The actual Chinese words for junior high school/middle school (in the American sense) is 初中 chū​zhōng, while senior high school is 高中 gāo​zhōng. WikiProject China may be happy to help analyze the site or find additional information.
 * The Chinese name of this institution is 南京市第十三中学 so I'll do my best to see if the website specifies the level of education...
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 00:07, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: An English page from Bond International College http://www.bondcollege.com/index.php/news/202-bond-partnered-up-with-nanjing-no-13-middle-school states: "In 2005, Bond brought quality Ontario secondary classes into Jiangsu, and established a Canada-China double diploma program with Nanjing No. 13 Middle School. Since then, more than 300 Chinese students have started their higher education in the most popular universities in Canada." - I think it's almost certain this has a senior high section. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:24, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * This could help establish notability, too. Jack N. Stock (talk) 00:35, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:40, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep as "南京十三中邦德国际高中2004年创办." states: "南京十三中邦德国际高中2004年创办,2005年正式招生. " which should mean "Nanjing No. 13 China-Bond International Senior High School was founded in 2004, and it officially enrolled students in 2005." You can check the Chinese at mdbg.net. WhisperToMe (talk) 12:17, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Leaning keep, as I do not see a rationale for deletion. While the Chinese language articles seems to have suffered severely from linkrot this QQ news source attributed to 南京晨报 would seem to be a reasonable source, if a bit light on the analysis side. There also seems to be weak coverage of some sort of technology fair held there, though I would probably look for sources in a print newspaper (or republication thereof) for that as well. Perhaps the article ought to be more clear on what 中学 means, but I doubt that a major (apparently "key"?) high school at a major population center would fail to be covered in secondary sources. — Alpha3031 (t • c) 13:07, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Side note, maybe it being a 4 star school (whatever that implies) should be sourced to the educational assessment whateveritscalled instead of the school website (or whatever it happens to be sourced to right now), if no suitable secondary sources are found. I can't work out whether if they were supposed to have been reassessed in the 2017 assessment though. — Alpha3031 (t • c) 13:18, 10 September 2018 (UTC)


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