Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Naomi Westerman


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The result was   delete. Non-notable plus subject requested deletion? Bye bye article. Wizardman 17:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Naomi Westerman

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Repeat WP:BLP violations about claimed sexuality and ethnicity and also non notable trivial things about subject. IP editors keep changing reversions back, but their only source she is gay and a gay activist is a website, it could be Westerman's or it could be from any one. No sources for notability. No articles from reliable sources about her. Only source in the article is a out of print book with Naomi Westerman, "collaborator," there's no reviews or any thing to say this is the same person. One article at Google News has Naomi Westerman in it, it is an obituary from America, a different person. The subject is not notable by WP:ENTERTAINER, the article says she has uncredited or minor roles in shorts and other films bu no reliable source for it or for acclaim or any thing about the roles. RetroS1mone  talk  17:35, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. I base this pretty much on visiting her official website (as publicized on the article page). Nothing against the young lady, and she seems to be starting out a career quite nicely, but if her own web page can't convince me of her notability (Youtube videos and a filmography of small films, activities as an "understudy" etc.). That, and when the intro paragraph to the article states: "From the Internet Movie Database, in 2002 she acted in a seven-minute clip called Clinic." --Quartermaster (talk) 18:35, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 22:02, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Even if there were reliable sources, there's nothing really notable in the article itself. Just a bunch of vague items such as "National Poetry Competition", "Short Film". --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 22:46, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 'Keep' Ms Westerman is a successful stage actress and has played lead stage roles, TV, and been in press articles. A national women's magazine called her "Britain's Ellen Page' in August. Google shows many hits, two fansites, a Maxim news story saying she was considered for a Bond film. She came out to an American gay magazine (feature on the film). Cites for articles, reviews and awards won, and list of lead theatrical credits, scans of book page or a local news article from the time the poetry book was published, we can add. Assume Good Faith in asking for details and cites, not blanking. Site linked is a fansite put up by a relative not touched in a year. IMDB links to wrong Clinic. Editor who asked for article to be deleted seems to be the anon who vandalized it twice recently (adding pejorative uncited statements). We believe it is a certain person who knows her offline as prior edits showed personal knowledge. Wiki is not the place to settle personal problems. Editor's nom is based on the very heavy edits, adding uncited claims and blanking much of page, they did immediately before nominating. So heavily editing an article before putting it up for deletion is poor form surely? Louis (her manager). 80.44.181.2 (talk) 22:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC) — 80.44.181.2 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment. Regardless of this, the version I'm currently seeing (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Naomi_Westerman&oldid=246173448) still doesn't meet notability. If there's another version we should be using for this debate, please let us know. Thank You  --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 00:49, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The "Maxim news story saying she was considered for a Bond film" claim is not quite what my search finds. My search finds an article on an unofficial fansite, quoting part of an undated interview (not news story) in Maxim, that the writer says was forwarded to him by someone with a pseudonym and that I cannot find in Maxim's archive when checking it directly, where the interviewee essentially gives no information at all, and upon which the fansite author bases obviously wild personal speculation with no fact checking at all.  Saying that it's not the most reliable of sources is putting it mildly, and the aforequoted description is seriously in error. And I cannot find any "Britain's Ellen Page" source anywhere. Uncle G (talk) 01:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it matters much anyway. Being 'considered' for a Bond film is not great evidence of notability Nil Einne (talk) 10:39, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Note — reported to WP:COIN. MuZemike  ( talk ) 23:08, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note. Louis' accusings are baseless, I am not an actor, I do not know Ms Westerman, I did not vandalize any thing, I saw this article bc an editor on the article also edited an article on my watch-list with blp violations so I checked out the other contributions. Try Google News archives, there is nothing about any Ms Westerman. No offense from me either but this person is not notable yet. RetroS1mone   talk  02:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but regardless, the user in question's involvement in the article and in this AfD is a conflict of interest and needs to be taken seriously, especially when there is a potential BLP issue present. MuZemike  ( talk ) 17:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I am her biggest fan since I saw her in C'est la Vie (french film) and I came to london to see her in theater. Starhunterfan (talk) 02:42, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and actresses-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 03:15, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Please delete my page, as I'm not comfortable with some things on it being public, and I don't want to fight with someone who might be my stalker! (if you're not him I'm very sorry). Thank you! Naomi Westerman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Naomi westerman (talk • contribs) 11:28, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


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