Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Napolitania


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The result was   delete. v/r - TP 01:16, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Napolitania

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The term is mainly an invention of minority independentist movement to indicate Southern Italy or, more precisely, the territory corresponding to the former Kingdom of Naples. However, the historical usage of such a term appears almost non-existing, in the few listed Google Books searches it is unclear whether the term is really used for the whole region rather than for the Naples area Cruccone (talk) 11:26, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * This is your political colored opinion, Napolitania indicates the territory where the neapolitan people leaves and has leaved the last 800 years. In ancient books or maps the whole area of the Kingdom of Naples is called Naples so it's clear that Napolitania is newer name for this area. Napule (talk) 14:32, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Going back to my initial point, Napolitania is the ultimate development of the substantivation of the adjective Napoletano, which was used in a geographic meaning too. It is composed of Napoli, the Italian name of the city Naples, and the suffix -tania, developed during the Roman times, and which stands for "land", "country". Napolitania is then the land or country of Napoli (or, by extension, of Napolitani). Napolitani (Neapolitans) is indeed the historical name of the people who lived in the Kingdom of Naples (and in the continental part of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies from 1816 to 1861) and the appellation survived long after the fall of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies. Napolitania is then just a linguistic expedient to refer to the country of Naples, which is an entity officially existed from 1285 and 1815 and officially recognised within the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies from 1816 to 1860. The same linguistic development has occurred throughout history to name other lands/nations, like Occitania, Mauritania, Aquitania, etc. The geographical use of the term Napolitania develops pretty much at the same time with the other geographical terms, like Padania and Appenninia. I'd also like to point out that the asteroid 1876 Napolitania is named after Naples, by following the same pattern. --Neminis (talk) 06:56, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The term is not an invention of independentists or autonomists whatsoever. The term Napolitania is the ultimate development of the substantivation of the adjective Napoletano (or Napolitano, according to the more ancient spelling of the term). The substantivation of Napoletano is widely used in literature prior to the 20th century as historical-geographical term to refer to the neapolitan provinces, as they were still called for long time after the political unification of the peninsula on the 17th of March 1861. The term Napolitania develops at early 20th century as expedient to quickly refer to the land historically inhabited by the Neapolitan people, now that the term Napoli was increasingly getting associated with the city only, unlike in the past. Some of the references already cited in the Napolitania page demonstrates that it has been used by foreign authors exactly to indicate that land. At the best of my knowledge, the first appearance of the term Napolitania dates back to 1911, Società Africana d'Italia Anno XIX, fasc. IX-X, XI-XII, 1911 e Anno XXXI, fasc. V-VI.


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 * Delete. No significant coverage in reliable sources. Kingdom of Naples is sufficient for the past, WP:NOTADVOCATE applies to the present. RacconishTk 19:41, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete fails WP:GNG. Stuartyeates (talk) 00:49, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: The article under discussion here has been rescue flagged by an editor for review by the Article Rescue Squadron.  RacconishTk 03:34, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I hope further commenting is allowed: just to make sure that we are clear, Napolitania has got a geographical and cultural meaning. Kingdom of Naples refers to a once existed state. It no longer exists, so it cannot apply to the present and it does not refer to the Neapolitan territories in a geographic and/or cultural way. Nowadays those territories still share the same cultural inheritance, hence the term Napolitania was invented early 20th century; but this I already said. --Neminis (talk) 18:58, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. The issue here is the notability of the notion. The criterion, as indicated by Stuartyeates and myself, significant coverage in reliable sources. RacconishTk 19:34, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment: Beeblebrox (talk) 16:38, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Beeblebrox (talk) 16:38, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. I can find no evidence that this is an accepted name for this region. If the political movement to establish this as a separate entity is notable, which it may be per, then we can have an article on that movement, but not one that presents the region as already being established. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:49, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
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