Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Narek Aslanyan


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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:44, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Narek Aslanyan

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by the article's creator on the grounds that the Armenian Premier League is fully pro, an assertion not supported by reliable sources at WP:FPL or elsewhere. Sir Sputnik (talk) 04:22, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 04:23, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 07:23, 30 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 08:07, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - consensus established that the Armenian league isn't fully pro Spiderone  09:19, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Two of the sources in the article were dead but later replaced with working unreliable sources, and the other two are still the same unreliable sources. GeoffreyT2000  ( talk,  contribs ) 14:58, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. — Yellow Dingo&#160;(talk) 09:22, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 09:44, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - deleting pages with armenian,georgian footballers and many other leagues means vandalism.and you people a doing this by voting.professional football is not only in England and Germany.Armenia top league is fully proffesionall league and somehow surprising ,but the second division https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015–16_Armenian_First_League is also fully proffesional.this is the documents from Arm federation http://www.ffa.am/uploaded/2015/Kanonakarg16-17.pdf .the guy who creates this article,if you an armenian,and i believe yes,please find out there to read exactly ,regarding Arm league being professional.Kolya77 (talk) 18:52, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * http://www.armsport.am/ru/news/2016/02/10/Артур-Азарян/682565 this is ref.right on the end,it's in russian.Турнир будет иметь профессиональный статус до тех пор, пока футболисты связаны с клубами трудовыми договорами. Это касается и Первой лиги Армении, которая имеет профессиональный статус. And i'm pretty sure that on the official documents by FFA this can be found also.but first of all, someone who understood armenian language have to respond.and help with translation.and point where exactly to look.cause google translate does not really helpKolya77 (talk) 19:12, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Also i would like to add this ref regarding Azerbaijan - http://www.pfl.az . It says clearly in english - The official website for Azerbaijan PROFESSIONAL football league.what other proofs needed ? the professional league is running from 2008. So actually Armenia,Azerbaijan,Georgia at least, discriminated on wikiKolya77 (talk) 19:58, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Firstly you need to understandthat there is a difference between a league being professional per the sources above and being "fully professional per WP:NFOOTY. Secondly, Iwould ask you to review the quote above. It does not confirm full professionalism or in fact any level of professionalism, it merely states that the competitions will be considered professional if players have employment contracts. If anything this confirmsthat there is no obligation for any club to be professional. Fenix down (talk) 20:43, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Fenix down,probably google translate does not translate correctly.he said that both competition have professional status.but previously he commented the rumorous that armenian teams will not be allowed to play in eurocups because the league has only 7 teams,after Ulisses withdrew.he said(the licening director) that everything is fine ,both 2 leagues are fully professional ... this is why i'am asking somebody who understands armenian to help with translation.because i'm 100 % sure on the documents from FFA above,is writing that the league is professionall or semi professional or whatever.but is PROF:)
 * Many users here on wikipedia thinking that in eastern europe people are living in jungle,are playing football between the trees.but the reality is completely different.At least 3 leagues from East(Azeri,Armenia and Georgia), and i belive Latvija to (but not sure) are fully professional like english premierliga or spanish bundesliga.Kolya77 (talk) 22:52, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * In stating that the competition can be considered professional if the players are contracted to their respective clubs, the source does not specify a size of contract. The notion of full professionalism requires sources to indicate that the level of remuneration is sufficient that players need have no other source of employment. this indicates that there is a reasonable level of money involved in the competition and it is this assumption about the level of cash that is used as a proxy to determine the level of likely interest and therefore coverage of a specific competition. If you look at something like the attendences provided by Soccerway, you will see that no team attracts a crowd on average of more than a thousand, the highest average is 850 and the lowest just 300. There is simply no way that a club with this level of support could afford to maintain a fully professional squad. This also means then that the first division cannot as it is composed of the reserve teams of these clubs. I do not doubt that there is a degree of professionalism, and perhaps all players receive some compensation, but there is no way this league is in any way comparable to the Premier League, La Liga or Bundesliga in terms of professionalism. Fenix down (talk) 10:24, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Last comment.we talked in different ways.i see no reason to continue,cause you gyus ,Fenix and others, know only to delete articles and make yourself proud by voting and also adding on every wiki article that transfermarket is not reliable.this 2 thinks you are executing perfect, day by day.congratulations. Regarding attendences.the average you wrote above.this makes me smile.this actually has nothing to do with professionall status. In Moldova,the country i live we have 50-100 spectators on every match,somethimes even less.but the top league is fully professionall,players are training every day,sometimes twice a day,have professional contracts.but in real ,the way they play is AMATEUR to be honest ,and 90% of players earned in the league maximum 200 Euros Monthly.in many cases they don't get paid because some our prof clubs are out of money.and all moldovan football players probably dreams every day to play let say in Azerbaijan league,which is actually full of money(oil).and only 8 clubs.and then i read that Azerbaijan Top League is considered by wiki guys not fully professional it makes me smile.ok.i'm happy at least that Albanian 2 tier league have prof status on wiki:))have a nice day everyone.Kolya77 (talk) 14:20, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Does not meet the guidelines for inclusion of footballers.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:50, 5 November 2016 (UTC)


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