Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Narine Dovlatyan (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was procedurally closed. When a deletion discussion is closed with a solid "keep", please wait some time (ideally, months) before renominating. Nyttend (talk) 05:23, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Narine Dovlatyan
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Last discussion was closed unfairly. And in the discussion was ignored rules of Wikipedia. In particular, criteria of notability, for which this singer is not suitable.--46.241.251.119 (talk) 13:46, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Criterias for musicians and ensembles says. But Armenian National Music Awards is not a major ceremony, and she is is not suitable under this criteria. Under the other criterias article is also not suitable.--46.241.251.119 (talk) 13:48, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.
 * Comment - The article was nominated by an anonymous editor and incorrectly posted to the log. I have created the AfD page and tagged the appropriate article for them. I do not currently have an opinion. Michaelzeng7 (alt) (talk) 14:48, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - This was literally just closed with a consensus to keep. The close wasn't unfair. A major music award isn't limited to Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis. It is classic systematic bias to assert that because the award isn't major in one country doesn't mean it isn't "major" in a different country. The national music awards for a nation should be presumed to be an assertion of notability. Michaelzeng7 (alt) (talk) 15:00, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It only means that you have a biased attitude to the article, because this article is not suitable under these criteria. You simply rejecting all my arguments, and it is unclear why.--46.241.236.29 (talk) 15:12, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Incorrect references that are not directly related to the text, links to some blogs, 10-th place in the competition, nor any albums... And significant for Wikipedia?--46.241.243.234 (talk) 15:36, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The solution for incorrect references is not deletion. Replace the references with correct ones. The question is whether these sources exist. In the case of this person, who won a major music award, she meets notability guidelines and the existence of sources should be presumed. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 20:48, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:04, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:04, 5 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - On the question of the importance of the award, apparently this is a "major music award." From an English-language Armenian news source: "The Armenian National Music Awards is organized by the Ministry of Culture of the Republic of Armenia in cooperation with «Sharm Holding» Production Company." I am of the opinion that an official government-sponsored award ceremony is major, and as such the winner of an award at this ceremony meets the notability requirements. I have also updated the expired reference to the awards winners. -- &#124;  Uncle Milty  &#124;  talk  &#124;  19:39, 5 March 2013 (UTC)


 * As I said in the second nomination: "A search for her name in the Armenian language "Նարինե Դովլաթյանը" suggests that there are sources available, such as these, , , , . I do not speak Armenian and it is difficult for me to assess these sources but on the basis that it seems sources are available, and to avoid systematic bias, I'll !vote weak keep." --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 23:19, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Five links on the same site?--46.241.236.108 (talk) 09:10, 6 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep: Per my comment in the just ended AfD, this IP doesn't like the last close but is substituting their opinion over reasoned arguments.--Milowent • hasspoken  05:53, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * But she won in not major nomination.--46.241.228.204 (talk) 09:23, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * She has been covered in the Armenian press, correct? And she won the Best New Artist Award, correct?  What would satisfy your own apparent standard for notability?  Reasonable minds can disagree on her notability.  How does she compare to Sofi Mkheyan?--Milowent • hasspoken  14:22, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * She has been covered in press? No, she has been covered in some blogs, and not reliable sites. Yes, she won in that secondary nomination, but is only that fact did her notable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.241.246.177 (talk) 17:29, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
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