Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Natalia Brzezinski


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The result was delete. Despite the additional references provided in this discussion, it was determined that they do not meet the standard of significant coverage from reliable sources independent of the subject needed to establish notability. ✗ plicit  03:15, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Natalia Brzezinski

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WP:BLP of a journalist, not properly referenced as passing our notability criteria for journalists. As always, journalists are not all automatically notable enough for Wikipedia articles just because they exist -- the notability test is not "person who has a job", but "person whose work in their job has been externally validated as significant by independent third party sources". But of the just four distinct footnotes being cited here (one of which is redundantly reduplicated five times for the deceptive appearance of nine footnotes), three are her own staff profiles on the self-published websites of her own employers, which are not support for notability, and the last is a blog entry covering her not in the context of any potential notability claims as a journalist, but solely in the context of her wedding -- which means that absolutely none of the footnotes actually represent proper support for her notability as a journalist, because the only one that's independent of her is about her personal life rather than her work. This was created in September, then moved to draftspace the next day on the grounds that it wasn't adequately sourced, but then was arbitrarily moved back to mainspace yesterday by a relatively new editor with a claim that she "meets GNG" without actually showing any GNG-worthy sources (which, again, absolutely none of the footnotes currently shown here are) to substantiate that she would meet GNG. So the sourcing here isn't cutting it at all, but since it's already been move-warred over I don't see the value in just redraftifying it again. Bearcat (talk) 16:52, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete There appears to be insufficient support for WP:JOURNALIST or WP:BASIC notability based on the sources in the article and what I have been able to find, e.g. 2017 mention with context (Metro), 2017 mention of her Instagram post (AFP/Hindustan Times), 2019 interview about the Brilliant Minds Foundation (Morning Joe/MSNBC), 2020 mention of her and the Brilliant Minds Foundation with context (Guardian). Beccaynr (talk) 19:33, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - I can find more sources than what Beccaynr has already found, especially in Swedish-language sources. There's a profile of her on VisitSweden.se, Techambassadören ser framtiden i Sverige, Har lockat hit eliten: ”Sverige är framtiden”, Natalia Brzezinski: "Det värmer mitt hjärta", Brzezinski, Tech-Savvy And Gen Y, Breaks The Mold For Ambassadors' Wives, Hon drev Daniel Eks elitkonferens i Stockholm – blir Klarnas strategichef i USA, Natalia Brzezinski sätter Sverige och Brilliant Minds på världskartan, »Jag har alltid blivit hårt pushad«, "I Sverige har jag lärt mig att kvinnor kan få allt", Natalia Brzezinski, '06, Tech-pionjären Natalia Brzezinski, Hemlig konferens med toppnamn på deltagarlistan, Brzezinski: ”Trumps twittrande ett nytt lågvattenmärke”, Diplomatiskt spel banade vägen, etc... NHCLS (talk) 10:18, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment All of my analysis of non-English sources is based on translation with Google Translate.
 * The 2020 Visit Sweden source reads like an advertisement (e.g. "Between 2011 and 2014 Natalia lived in Sweden and gained a Swedish perspective on nature") and is mostly based on her statements, so I am concerned about the independence of the source due to the publisher and the content.
 * The 2016 Techambassadören ser framtiden i Sverige (Dina Pengar) source does not appear to have WP:SECONDARY context beyond introducing as "the American tech ambassador" and "No wonder Spotify founder Daniel Ek and Avicii manager Ash Pournouri made her CEO of the joint creativity event "Symposium" in Stockholm" because the article is based on "a long interview with Dina Pengar, Brzezinski talks about the work of raising Swedish values ​​in the world and how Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton helped her along the way."
 * The 2019 Har lockat hit eliten: ”Sverige är framtiden” (Dina Pengar) source, reads a bit like celebrity gossip, (e.g. commentary includes, "She seems to have made some powerful friends in Sweden.") and is mostly based on her statements, (e.g. "According to Natalia Brzezinski, the fact that the event is closed to the press is to create a place where change can take place.").
 * In the 2019 Natalia Brzezinski: "Det värmer mitt hjärta" (Expressen, the parent company of Dina Pengar) source, this appears to be a video interview titled (translated) "The CEO of Brilliant Minds is pleased with the conference."
 * Natalia Brzezinski, Tech-Savvy And Gen Y, Breaks The Mold For Ambassadors' Wives (HuffPost, 2012) includes some biographical information but is mostly based on her statements, e.g. ("To accomplish her goals, Brzezinski intends to expand well beyond the traditional diplomatic spousal role of being a hostess and take a more hands-on and proactive approach. This includes blogging, Tweeting from her personal handle, @natalbrz, and posting photos from her travels on Facebook.")
 * The 2020 Hon drev Daniel Eks elitkonferens i Stockholm – blir Klarnas strategichef i USA (Di Digital, "your guide to digital business and tech from a Swedish perspective.") source includes biographical and career details but offers no WP:SECONDARY commentary.
 * The 2016 Natalia Brzezinski sätter Sverige och Brilliant Minds på världskartan (Breakit) source is an interview, with commentary, (e.g. "For those who are involved in the digital media world, or have visited one of the major tech events in Stockholm in recent years, Natalia Brzezinski is a familiar face and name.").
 * The 2014 »Jag har alltid blivit hårt pushad« (Fokus) source is an interview, with a translated title "I have always been pushed hard" and statements including "Symposium is not for marketing Spotify or any other partners. No one comes to tell about their new book. We just want to raise important issues and possibly Sweden as a country, she says."
 * The 2013 Natalia Brzezinski, '06 (University of Richmond) source is an alumni magazine, so not independent.
 * The 2017 Tech-pionjären Natalia Brzezinski (PLAZA) source is in Pressreader, and I haven't been able to copy and paste the text into Google Translate, but it appears to be a fashion magazine.
 * The 2019 Hemlig konferens med toppnamn på deltagarlistan (Sveriges Radio) source is another interview with her, related to "The Brilliant Minds Foundation is holding a star-studded conference in Stockholm this week."
 * I don't have full access to the 2017 Brzezinski: ”Trumps twittrande ett nytt lågvattenmärke” (Dagens Nyheter) source, but it appears to be a report on her response to Trump writing tweets about Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough.
 * I similarly have limited access to the 2011 Diplomatiskt spel banade vägen (Dagens Nyheter) source, but it is filed in the sports section, with a translated title "Diplomatic play paved the way" and includes, "The American ambassador's wife wondered if Stockholm Ice had room for a figure skater she knew.")
 * I think there is a need for more independent and WP:SECONDARY coverage to support WP:BASIC notability, because with so many sources focused on the promotion of the conference and her business, there appears to be a risk of becoming an extension of marketing efforts. Beccaynr (talk) 17:09, 6 November 2021 (UTC) - comment reformatted Beccaynr (talk) 00:20, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom and source analysis by Beccaynr. This is a clear case of non-notable journalist covered in routine news stories. 167.98.47.71 (talk) 22:06, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Routine journalism work and she's not being cited as a subject matter expert or nor has she published any groundbreaking or game changing work that would make her stand out from the rest. Missvain (talk) 20:54, 24 November 2021 (UTC)


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