Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Natalia Sokolovskaya


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The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 13:10, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Natalia Sokolovskaya

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Completely unsourced article. Sokolovskaya is a national titleholder but the pageant itself is barely notable and she competed in no international competitions. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 11:06, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment "She competed in no international competitions"? The article could be better formatted, but it clearly states that she has competed in piano competitions in Germany, Italy, Spain, the UK, etc. I have not yet checked if she did win first prize in one, but I certainly find sources confirming that she competed, eg, . RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:05, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * That is not what I'm talking about. She gained notability for being a beauty pageant titleholder (Miss Azerbaijan), and her article was created largely because she was expected to compete in Miss Universe, but she did not and competed in no other international pageants either. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 19:51, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * What does it matter why the article was created? The content in the article is largely about her career as a pianist. She could be assessed against WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, WP:NMODEL or WP:MUSICBIO (or any other relevant criteria). RebeccaGreen (talk) 01:28, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep Meets WP:MUSICBIO #9 "Has won first, second or third place in a major music competition." She won 1st prize in the María Herrero Piano Competition in 2014 and in the Ricard Viñes International Piano Contest in 2013, among others. RebeccaGreen (talk) 02:04, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * On what planet are those "major music competitions". { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] }</b> 04:02, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment, while I agree most of the time on AfD, this is not the case. I need an explanation on how are these two notable and MAJOR music competitions. María Herrero Piano Competition does not even have a wikipedia page, and the Richard Vine could pass as possibly notable, but certainly not a major one in my opinion. This seems like a clear WP:BLP1E for being a Miss Azerbaijan as her music career does not seem to be notable for me.Jovanmilic97 (talk) 15:34, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Certainly, not everything that is notable has a Wikipedia article yet. But I admit, I don't know much about piano competitions - she has competed in many international competitions, one of which has a Wikipedia article, so it is presumably notable. I was trying to work out how to add this AfD to music-related pages, but they all seemed to have automatic alerts for articles already part of music wikiprojects. She also has one album, released in 2018, so perhaps it is WP:TOOSOON. I have access to some English-language digitised newspapers, but not in other languages unless they appear in Google searches, so if her performances have been reviewed in other languages, I have not found them. RebeccaGreen (talk) 06:35, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   13:18, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep She gets a few ProQuest hits. (I've added one citation to the article.) Her Spanish-language Wikipedia article has some material not included here. Between her career as a pianist and winning a national modelling competition, that satisfies notability criteria and is more than WP:BLP1E. Bondegezou (talk) 20:56, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * PS: Also helpful to search for "Наталья Соколовская", her name in Russian. I've added some more to the article. Bondegezou (talk) 21:09, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * If you go to http://natalia-sokolovskaya.com/stati-v-presse and then go into each article, they each end with a link to some press coverage. You need better Russian than me, but there appear to be some reasonable sources there. Bondegezou (talk) 21:13, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, some of those don't work as links, but http://www.volgaru.ru/index.php?oth&article=6035 and http://www.volgaru.ru/index.php?oth&article=5902 do. Bondegezou (talk) 21:19, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 12:20, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - Passes WP:NMODEL at least, and also passes WP:MUSICBIO. Skirts89 (talk) 19:44, 22 January 2019 (UTC)


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