Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Natalie Jacobson


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The result was keep. Lankiveil (speak to me) 03:25, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Natalie Jacobson

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Subject fails WP:GNG and WP:JOURNALIST criterion of inclusion. She's merely one of many, many U.S. on-air news/sports/weather talent. Kiteinthewind  Leave a message! 21:17, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep - Subject of significant coverage, including   - Hirolovesswords (talk) 02:17, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Kimmel, Daniel M (June 28, 1996). "Natalie Jacobson wears many hats". Telegram & Gazette.
 * Kennedy, Dana (1988). "Goodnight Natalie, Goodnight Chet: The Boston Anchor Couple". Washington Journalism Review. - Hirolovesswords (talk) 18:36, 25 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Merge with redirect to WCVB-TV (1st choice) with delete as last option: Keep: Final change; See amended reasoning below. Either of these three means the subject does not warrant a stand-alone article. This is a local reporter and anchor, although not the typical pseudo-biography. Someone will have to convince me that a run-of-the-mill television personality, that in the course of their job gave interviews including one that "may" have helped contribute to the down-slide of a candidate (was only beat by 4 points), and was the first female anchor at a station, is actually a notable person as being "remarkable" or "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded". This would be an edge case for the slippery slope argument that many thousands of worldwide anchors should have an article on Wikipedia. I did note the unlisted interesting fact that the subject reportedly divorced William D. Jacobson in 1973. This was after she met  another person, the very notable Chet Curtis (play song Here You Come Again) at work that was probably a juicy office fling that she married and co-anchored with. If we go this route then all anchors in every country can (and should) have an article on Wikipedia. We will now become (among other things) a world-wide TV anchor listing vehicle. I can then list my mundane but good weatherman because there are plenty of local and regional sources. Otr500 (talk) 13:52, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: Concerning "Subject of significant coverage" listed in a "keep" above: Of the seven references on the article 5 are to the Boston Globe and one is the Telegram & Gazette. Of the three provided sources, indicative of attempting to prove "Subject of significant coverage", all are to the Boston Globe. This means that there are actually only two sources that count towards notability. Of the three: The first is a mundane news report that "After 35 years, Jacobson set to retire", the second, is "Life after chennal 5 and that the subject has "whale-watched in Mexico, hiked in California's redwoods, and sailed in the British Virgin Islands. She's also learned to pilot her boyfriend's 34-foot power boat on trips to Key West, the Bahamas, and Palm Beach.", and the third: Split screen discusses that both Natalie and her husband and co-anchor for two decades were leaving the show- and each other, as he had another job, maybe with a new co-anchor to marry? All I know is that possibly well-intentioned, these are run-of-the-mill mundane "stories" that to the world and even the region are not actually "remarkable" or "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded", so would be refbombing to make an article look more notable.
 * Please see GNG "Sources": "Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability.". This would be a questionable revelation on any article but this is a BLP and the subject considered a low-profile individual in regards to WP:BLP1E. The subject should be included in the WCVB-TV article but not deserving stand-alone status. That is the rationale from the current policies and guidelines unless there is an acceptable reason to "ignore all rules" so I have amended my !vote accordingly. Otr500 (talk) 10:35, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep: Jacobson has been covered in some detail in many sources outside the Boston area, indicating national notability, for example, , . The article should be enhanced with these and other secondary sources.--Ipigott (talk) 06:44, 26 March 2018 (UTC)


 * KeepThe fact that Jacobson was the first female evening anchor in a major American city is important and a big deal from a woman's historical perspective, therefore she is not just a typical run of the mill local anchorman (Boston is one of the top six TV news markets in the US). Also she was well known outside Boston, her name even being mentioned in an episode of the sitcom "30 Rock", when the show's characters visited Boston. So Jacobson was nationally known for her local news anchor status. Furthermore, she also co-anchored the news with her husband for many years, the two being one of the few married couples to do so. Their divorce made the NY Times, Variety and the LA Times :
 * http://articles.latimes.com/1999/dec/15/news/mn-44065
 * http://variety.com/1999/tv/news/married-boston-anchors-make-news-by-separating-1117760036/
 * Jacobson was a star anchor with huge ratings and millions of viewers, at a time when personalities drove the local news. She should be seen within an historical context and not from the context of today's local news market where personalities have less of an impact on a local newscast:
 * http://archive.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2011/07/10/curtiss_changing_role_sign_of_times_for_local_news_affiliates/
 * Jacobson is also considered to be part of the Golden Age of Boston TV according to the following book :
 * https://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/books/2017/06/15/part-history-part-memoir-look-golden-age-boston/R1Fav2ckvECQHQ0pdV1PIN/story.html
 * Jacobson has been mentioned in the NY Times several times, her salary being the topic of one article :
 * https://www.nytimes.com/1982/08/30/arts/boston-tv-stations-battling-over-news-anchors.html
 * https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/24/business/media/chet-curtis-half-of-married-news-team-dies-at-74.html?mtrref=www.google.ca&gwh=2D6EC1A3B7C34DCDBAA8535DAE4970D5&gwt=pay
 * https://www.nytimes.com/1990/11/09/opinion/abroad-at-home-the-limits-to-anger.html
 * Jacobson is also inducted in Massachusetts Broadcasters Hall of Fame
 * http://www.massbroadcastershof.org/hall-of-fame/hall-of-fame-2011/natalie-jacobson/
 * Here is a possible quote : Chet "and his former wife, Natalie Jacobson, were the most recognizable and trusted names in the Boston television market for decades. They covered the biggest stories, including visits by Queen Elizabeth II and Nelson Mandela." :
 * http://www.eagletribune.com/news/longtime-boston-tv-anchor-chet-curtis-dies/article_9b936560-cc8b-5976-87b8-97fa017c0d42.html

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 * Keep - She's notable for a period that is significantly pre-internet, and which pre-dates how far many RS have gone back in digitising their archives. However, even a cursory Google books search returns multiple significant mentions of her. The article needs work, but that is not of itself grounds for deletion. Mattyjohn (talk) 21:12, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Final amendment from above: "In 1976 she became the first female anchor of a Boston evening newscast..." does not equate to "first female evening anchor in a major American city" not trying to take anything away from her as she was at least among early pioneer female anchors and there were others in that time frame so this would need clear sources above what is in the article. The sources I saw, the ones in the article and the ones added that I looked at does NOT add a lot to notability. The long list of rebombed sources (including more from the Globe and Boston.com, and three from the ny times.com (count as one so there are what "four?). Some are just mundane news reports. Her longtime partner dying does not advance true notability. **BUT** Heymann! there is clear evidence to support ''"..."worthy of notice" or "note" – that is, "remarkable" or "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded" within Wikipedia. 1)- early female co-anchor, 2)- in "a period that is significantly pre-internet" so sources would be "out there" and notability is not dependant on what is in the article, and 3)- she was inducted into the "Massachusetts Broadcasters Hall of Fame".. That is a big accolade. I think big enough for her, and our poor recently passed Bozo the Clown that was also inducted, with all his regional, national, and international exposure he does not yet have an article. I am of course referring to Frank Avruch. I am not above finding a need for correction. Maybe an editor will take a shot at Bozo. I also like the sourced "possible quote". Otr500 (talk) 02:16, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep passes WP:JOURNALIST. Kudos to User:Hirolovesswords for the WP:HEYMANN upgrade.E.M.Gregory (talk) 09:38, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


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