Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Natasha Martinez (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. The (last minute) suggestion to redirect to Miss California USA certainly seems reasonable, but I'm not going to impose that in this close. If anybody wants to go ahead and create the redirect later, no prejudice against that. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:03, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Natasha Martinez
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This is a one line article with one not really reliable source. No substantial coverage. Martinez may one day be notable for something, she is clearly not now. The history of the article is complex. It evidently survived a mass deletion attempt last January or so, but the article history itself only dates back to last month. So I can't figure out if it was unilaterally deleted at some point, or what. John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:41, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete -- the coverage I see is local to Orange County, such as OC Register or Inland Valley Bulletin. This is a WP:BIO1E situation; the subject is not independently notable. No better sources are listed in the article (in fact it contains no RS at all). K.e.coffman (talk) 00:34, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Not just a pretty face. Sources include in-depth (which says Martinez is a news anchor, a former Laker girl, dancer, played Princess Jasmine at Disney (ie an actor), etc) and another in-depth and in-depth here and she speaks her mind and gets coverage here. Overall she meets the WP:GNG.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 19:38, 1 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment -- I'm not convinced that the above coverage meets GNG. For example, OC Register and Daily Bulletin are extremely local sources. "Princess Jasmine at Disney" -- not sure that this makes her an actress. She gets mentioned in NBC News for being a Latina participating in Trump's pageant. This is still BIO1E and WP:NOTNEWS. Overall, the sources are local, bloggy (?) -- Heavy.com (which is two paragraphs, not in depth), and news relating to the pageant. K.e.coffman (talk) 19:11, 2 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Orange County has 3 million residents and the Orange County Register is a daily broadsheet with a quarter million readers, and more on Sunday -- so it's not a local newspaper by any stretch, and clearly qualifies as a reliable source. Being a news anchor is not a BIO1E. And her speaking out on behalf of Latinos nationwide on things like the Trump candidacy simply confirm she meets the WP:GNG.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 20:02, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * A beauty pageant winner, by itself, isn't much, I think we can agree about that -- but being a model, actor, a TV news host => multiple aspects of her => in-depth sources => meets the GNG.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 20:54, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

As I mentioned above, I do not find the sources to be in depth; being a princess at Disneyland is not an actress; news host is not a notable profession. The title is Miss California but newspapers in other parts of the state did not cover the win. The sources amount to a WP:PSEUDO biography:


 * ...model, beauty pageant winner, and on-air television personality. She won the Miss California pageant in 2015. She is a Latina TV on-air host for KDOC-TV in Southern California. Martinez grew up in southern California and played classical piano since the age of nine. She was a Laker girl, a cheerleader for the Los Angeles Lakers basketball team. She performed in the role of Princess Jasmine at Disneyland. She graduated from Chapman University with a degree in broadcast journalism. She has raised money for cancer research. When Miss USA owner and presidential candidate Donald Trump spoke against immigration, Martinez decided against quitting the pageant as a protest.


 * Even the coverage in the Trump aftermath does not amount to much since she did not resign in protest. This is wholly unremarkable. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:17, 2 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Well let's agree to disagree. News media such as Us Magazine and the Daily Mail and the Orange County Register think she's notable -- which is why they wrote about her. I think TV news host is a notable profession -- and playing Jasmine for thousands of people at Disneyland is acting -- and that southern California is a huge market. For the record, I think it's commendable on her part that she stuck with the pageant, despite the Trump controversy -- sticking to her guns.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 21:22, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I would describe the coverage is run-of-the-mill, which WP:MILL cautions against. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:00, 17 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep for beauty pageant and news host. --SamWinchester000 (talk) 23:29, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 17:53, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. There is a AFD precedent that winning a state beauty pageant does not automatically confer notability.  I see no other in-depth coverage of anything else.  Her comments on Trump would be the closest other thing, but I don't find them significant because there is not much depth there and even it there were more it would still be WP:BLP1E.  Everything else in the article is just routine background info. MB 04:27, 10 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as non notable pagent, Fails GNG, – Davey 2010 Talk 23:53, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per MB. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:39, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as simply being a pageant member alone is not at all a basis of actually keeping or substantiating her own independent notability; frankly none of the listed information actually comes close to convincing since there's simply that: being a pageant member. SwisterTwister   talk  00:45, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Winning a state beauty pageant does not automatically confer notability in general, except for the one special case ofthe contests that go to make up Miss America. Contrary to what the article seems to state, she wa not Miss California, but miss California USA, which is part of Miss USA.  DGG ( talk ) 04:42, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I have literally no idea why you seem to believe there's any consensus that Miss America contestants are somehow more notable that Miss USA, that's utter nonsense. As for the obvious error you noticed, why not fix it? --- PageantUpdater (talk) 11:37, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Upon consideration, redirect to Miss California USA as a valid search term, and the subject is mentioned there. North America1000 11:15, 18 September 2016 (UTC)


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