Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nathalie Bondil


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Drm310 🍁 (talk) 04:51, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Nathalie Bondil

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This person is likely notable, but this article has been nothing but a WP:SOAPBOX piece for years, heavily edited by a likely undisclosed paid editor (blocked on French Wikipedia for just such matters). WP:TNT is probably the only course now. Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:32, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Clean up the article. No need to delete it. It shouldn't take someone that long if they're invested in the subject. Heck, she was just awarded the Legion of Honour and she is a Knight of the Order of Montreal. Just because the article is in poor shape, doesn't mean it should be nominated in AfD. It can easily be cleaned up and made into a shorter, consistent article. Sources that establish notability include:
 * "Nathalie Bondil on redefining museums’ roles, positive impact of cultural diversity on creativity" from Global News
 * "Montreal Museum of Fine Arts offers ‘a contemporary gaze’ at ancient objects in a new wing" from Art Newspaper
 * "Nathalie Bondil reçoit la plus haute distinction française" from CBC
 * "#GreatMTLer: Nathalie Bondil is an icon of Montreal’s art scene" from Global News
 * "Nathalie Bondil dirige un musée en phase avec sa ville" from Le Journal de Montréal
 * "Nathalie Bondil's artful adventure" from the Montreal Gazette
 * "‘I don’t play to lose’ – how Nathalie Bondil threw open the doors of the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts" from The Globe and Mail
 * "Doctors to prescribe museum visits to help patients 'escape from their own pain'" from CBC
 * And to establish WP:BASIC:
 * Her curated exhibitions have garnered international and national coverage and many more
 * "Montreal museum partners with doctors to 'prescribe' art" from BBC
 * There are many more. Missvain (talk) 16:47, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Have you read the nomination text, though? I am aware that the article topic is notable enough for Wikipedia, but I confer with the nominator's ideas, and consider it better to "blow it up and start over again" as suggested. ωικιωαrrιor ᑫᑫ1ᑫ 17:01, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I did. I do not support deleting articles in the effort to rewrite them. Missvain (talk) 17:05, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you aware that you are disagreeing with an official Wikipedia policy? ωικιωαrrιor ᑫᑫ1ᑫ 17:09, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * She's not disagreeing with an official Wikipedia policy, actually. WP:TNT, also known as Blow it up and start over is just an essay. Deletion is not cleanup has an alternate view. --GRuban (talk) 17:19, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 17:23, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep I think wiki-notability is adequately established. While I have argued for the TNT approach in other deletion discussions, this article was easy enough to improve by quite a lot, just by cutting superfluous text. I don't believe that all-out deletion is necessary this time. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 18:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep and rewrite.I think that User:MBAM-wiki and User:WikiMBAMNB and any employees/interns/associates of the Musée des beaux-arts de Montréal (MBAM) should be restricted from editing this article. Bondil should be told that this is an article ABOUT her, based on what independent, reliable sources say about her. It is not her CV. If she wants her own website, should should get one herself. We're an encyclopedia, not a webshost. The article should then be blanked and rewritten from scratch. The English version has almost no sources, and one of them is from www.prnewswire.com, but the French version does have more, so we could look at using (some of) those. "La nouvelle directrice dévoile ses passions" by Mario Cloutier La Presse for example, and some primary sources for awards would be acceptable as well. Coverage is obviously mostly by La Presse, but there is coverage in other newspapers: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/art-and-architecture/article-architect-of-the-mmfas-popular-revolution/ for example. Vexations (talk) 20:43, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Not a fan of blow it up and start over. More like, take the initiative and trim back the superfluous stuff. She definitely meets notability guideline. We can stubify and rewrite. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 20:51, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:NOTCLEANUP. Clean up the article because she meets our notability guideline. Lightburst (talk) 00:00, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment OK, it's obvious that I made a mistake in nominating this, and I'm big enough to admit it. Nomination withdrawn and closing as speedy keep. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 04:51, 29 January 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.