Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Ballot Access


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 08:02, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

National Ballot Access

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Very little real content, with almost all of its links linking to Ballotpedia. Many 'references' but almost none of them actually reference the named company. (I didn't check them all). The only user to have added any content is User:Johnwynnejr, who has zero other contributions. The company also only gets 1390 Google hits. The president and co-president links used to be wikilinks to articles that were speedied.  Evan ¤  Seeds  05:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I've added more paragraph type content. I've delete the ballotpedia tags. This is my fist time on Wikipedia. I have many more articles to add relating to the citizens' initiative process, although unrelated to National Ballot Access. Alot of the references don't include National Ballot Access because I just wanted this page to be well referenced. I included lots of references about the petition drives, even if they did not mention the petition drive management company. Please let me keep this page. I can improve it to meet the standards.
 * User:Johnwynnejr 09:00am, 6 March 2009


 * Speedy delete G11 - user can start again if they like  Chzz  ►  15:51, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not so sure about advertising. For example, as it stands now, out of the 3 references for the president and co-president (an odd titling choice, I would expect pres and vice or two co-pres, but...) two of them paint NBA in a negative light. However, while the article itself certainly needs clean-up, what I'm really concerned about is notability. The article as far as I can tell does not really assert any claim of notability, as being a 'petition drive management company' is certainly not inherently notable. I know numbers aren't everything, but it gets 0 google news hit, and 76 google blog search hits, many of which are generic terms (Bob Foobar, national ballot access coordinator for Minor McCandidate's campaign), etc. -- Evan ¤  Seeds  16:22, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I put those references together on a whim. All I need is some more time to find more references that show notability. 7:00pm 6 March 2009 User:Johnwynnejr
 * I also added 3 external resources to add notability. Johnwynnejr (talk) 01:41, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I just deleted and added new references for Colorado CRI, the Nebraska CRI and the Andy Dillon recall. The 2 new references for each show notability for National Ballot Access.Johnwynnejr (talk) 16:51, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I also added these articles so far:
 * Nebraska Civil Rights Initiative (2008)
 * South Dakota Open and Clean Government Act (2008)
 * Yes on Term Limits v. Savage
 * I'm just new and have much more to add.Johnwynnejr (talk) 03:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment It appears that this John Wynne Jr is the same one who is the "Petitioner / Sub-Coordinator"      at National Ballot Access as per http://www.linkedin.com/pub/10/9a9/914 I have placed a WP:COI tag in his talk page.--Cerejota (talk) 03:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, that is me. I never hide my identity. Also, I have added more negative references and external resources for NBA than positive. I am going along with Wikipedia's aim for a neutral article. Thank you--Johnwynnejr (talk) 04:04, 10 March 2009 (UTC)




 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I also just contributed:
 * Nader v. Brewer
 * South Dakota Small Investors Protection Act (2008)
 * Citizens for Tax Reform v. Deters
 * Bogaert v. Land
 * Johnwynnejr (talk) 05:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I just added a lot of real content with more meat to the petition categories. Johnwynnejr (talk) 06:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:00, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. It is difficult to see what the relationship is between the lede and the rest of the article. As for the sources, 2 does not have the subject named in it, 3 has two passing mentions, 4 does but it's just a blog, 6 has nothing, 7 is what?, 8 nothing... That's enough for me. The references do not help establish that the subject is notable, and the article doesn't even establish what it is. Drmies (talk) 03:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

ThanksJohnwynnejr (talk) 20:30, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Advice well taken:
 * All references now contain info regaurding National Ballot Access, except references #6,7,8.
 * The opening paragraph explains the importance and responsibilities of a petition drive management company.


 * Comment: Please list 3 or more references in National Ballot Access, which are neutral, reliable sources that are independent of the subject and are exclusively about this company. Press releases or one-sentence mentions do not suffice. Cunard (talk) 05:04, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Johnwynnejr (talk) 03:07, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I added 3 external resources to the actual page already. They are more of resources though. Arno Political Consultants is another petition drive management company in the same boat. I guarantee any references they have are not neutral.


 * Delete - Can't say I have a strong feeling that it's an advert (though that seems like the only real possible purpose of wanting the Wiki page - Wiki page = higher Google Page Rank), but I can't see the notability of it either. Proxy User (talk) 05:44, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per Drmies, and evaluation of the claimed sources in particular. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  13:29, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Another company I work for from time to time(Arno Political Consultants) has their own page. No one puhed to delete that. Even the owner (Mike Arno) has his own page. That is no more notable that NBA. Johnwynnejr (talk) 15:47, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That Arno article is short and needs an overhaul, but it's not bad--at the very least it has four apparently independent sources that establish that the company is notable. Drmies (talk) 00:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep The article is so full of puffery that it is difficult to distinguish between which sources are relevant and which are not. Of the 14 sources, in the article 12 are either behind a paywall, contain only passing mentions of this company, or don't even mention it at all. This news source from the Daily Nebraskan contains significant coverage about this company, while this source from Progressive States Network has a paragraph about this company. This source contains some information about some concerns with National Ballot Access. IMO, these sources are enough for National Ballot Access to barely pass WP:CORP. Cunard (talk) 05:34, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I am working off the research of Cunard here, but I don't think these references are enough for a keep. There may be RS that have mentioned the topic, but that doesn't make it notable by itself. The mention in the WP:RS has to provide enough evidence that the topic is notable, and I'm not sure it does that. While the Daily Nebraskan article may have substantial coverage, that's not enough for a keep because it doesn't demonstrate its notability, only that it has been mentioned. The RS guideline, of course, works in conjunction with WP:notability. Shadowjams (talk) 05:48, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep - Come on guys, what do you say we let it ride..Johnwynnejr (talk) 03:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.