Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Basketball Association Martin Luther King Jr. Day games


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Upon further consideration, closing as no consensus at this time. Those opining for potential retention of the article have advanced rationales for restructuring, while others have opined for other outcomes, such as keeping if it's structured one way and deleting if it's structured another way. In all of this, not a single direct !vote stating the preferred outcome in bold has been provided, although the nomination hints toward deletion per not meeting WP:NLIST standards, while also stating, "perhaps the content could be redirected or merged". Indeed, this has essentially become a content matter after the two relistings. Additional discussion can occur on the article talk page. North America1000 14:43, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

National Basketball Association Martin Luther King Jr. Day games

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On the surface, this seems to go against WP:NLIST. Unlike National Basketball Association Christmas games, which discusses the tradition more broadly, this article seems to be more of an indiscriminate list of routine games. Perhaps the content could be redirected or merged, but this doesn't feel like it deserves it's own article space per NLIST. SPF121188 (talk this way) (contribs) 15:03, 17 March 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:17, 24 March 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star   Mississippi  01:25, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2022 March 17.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 15:28, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:33, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I think the topic and NBA promotions around MLK Day is potentially notable, but the current format of being a list of game results misses the point. Some sources are 1) "How the NBA relaxes its sneaker rules for MLK Day". ESPN.com, 2) "Would Martin Luther King Jr. Love the NBA?". New York, 3) "As NBA prepares to celebrate Martin Luther King, Robertson also remembers". KRON4.com, 4) "Legendary Oscar Robertson Pioneered What Has Become an NBA Tradition of Honoring Martin Luther King Jr." Sportscasting.com, 5) NBA commemorates "MLK Day with games and celebrations". Fox9.com, 6) "The most memorable NBA moments on Martin Luther King Jr. Day". Sporting News. The problem is I see little written from a historical perspective, more about a given year's goings-on.—Bagumba (talk) 09:32, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Reply to . I agree with your assessment on this. It may be better suited to expand the historical part of the article and perhaps make navboxes for the decades? Just a thought, but in principle I do agree it's potentially notable as a topic, the article just looks like a classic case of WP:NLIST. SPF121188  (talk this way) (contribs) 16:42, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * What did you have in mind regarding "navboxes for the decades"?—Bagumba (talk) 09:03, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * In the event you were thinking of just collapsing the game list, a relevant guideline is MOS:COLLAPSE:  I'd say the embedded list should just be removed. The (unsourced) individual games are not that encyclopedic.—Bagumba (talk) 05:42, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Reply to, yeah, I think I misrepresented what I was thinking there; collapsing the table would make more sense... but even so, like you said, many individual games are not noteworthy. below reflects my view on the article as a whole. Borderline WP:TNT, in my opinion.  SPF121188  (talk this way) (contribs) 12:22, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment I'm ambivalent on this and deferring to anyone with stronger feelings on keeping, deleting or merging this.—Bagumba (talk) 05:36, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: A few various ideas have been presented herein. This discussion is worthy of a third relist in hopes of a consensus potentially being formed about how the article should be structured. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 10:39, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment, in its current form it should be deleted. If the article could be rewritten to include more actual information about the history of games on this day. Then it should be kept. Mannysoloway (talk) 12:06, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. If this article is going to be kept, it ought to be rewritten to focus on the ceremonies and traditions associated with the NBA playing on Martin Luther King Day, to the extent that is possible to do. The actual games themselves appear to be largely run-of-the-mill regular season games and should probably not all be listed here. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:02, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * ...a third relist in hopes of a consensus potentially being formed about how the article should be structured: Seems more like a content issue for the article talk page.—Bagumba (talk) 12:06, 9 April 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.