Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Hockey League lore


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The result was   Withdrawn. The nominator is now advocating a keep position. I recommend further discussion about the clean-up of this page to be conducted either at the talk page of the article or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey. (non-admin closure) Tavix | Talk  01:40, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

National Hockey League lore

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It is a violation of WP:Not Anyoldeditor (talk) 22:33, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

What's wrong with this page? I created it because an equivalent page for National Football League lore exists, and NHL fans believed that one for the NHL was important and warranted as well.StrangeApparition2011 (talk) 23:29, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
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 * Comment. I'm not actually sure where I stand on this concept. It could serve as something of an addendum to the History of the National Hockey League series. If kept though, the specific implementation needs to be reworked.  First and foremost, massive amounts of POV need to be cleaned up. Also, it mixes some of the significant moments in NHL history with pure trivia - notably "May Day" and Roenick and Roy's press conference trash talk.  Lidstrom scoring from centre ice? Really? Statue of Liberty goal? Really? Honestly, this looks like the list was compiled by Red Wings fans at Reddit.   "Notability" is not the right word for what I mean, but we would need a way to demonstrate that specific events really are part of true NHL lore.  I can think of a couple general hockey books I have that do specific call-outs of certain things, but the risk of this devolving into trivia is high. I have a few other thoughts and concerns, but those are more of an editorial nature and is something we could work through if a keep opinion emerges here. Resolute 00:12, 14 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: Lidstrom scores from centre ice is understandable to be removed, but the Statue of Liberty goal is actually quite famous among hockey fans. The issue also is that NHL lore, while notable to hockey fans, isn't as established in the same way as NFL lore, despite the fact that the former is a major part of Canadian sports culture.  Roenick and Roy was included because when I opined on this piece on NHL message boards, the consensus was that it should be included, as it's a very famous event.  However, if it's not truly notable "lore", then yes, I understand removing it.  The POV problem I have been told about, and I agree, it does need to be cleaned up.  It's written more dramatically, like a book or an news article, rather than an encyclopedic entry.  If this page gets a "keep" consensus, I will definitely contribute strongly to the cleanup process.StrangeApparition2011 (talk) 00:50, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep with cleanup: I saw some NPOV issues and thought the article deserved to be deleted. Anyoldeditor (talk) 01:35, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
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 * Comment: I believe the more typical approach in Wikipedia for an overview article listing "notable events and incidents considered important or memorable" for a topic is to have a "Timeline of..." article. I think the motivation for such an article should be clarified: is it essentially a summary article for the "History of the National Hockey League" series? isaacl (talk) 01:42, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
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