Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Liberation Movement of Ahwaz


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result wasdeleted  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:50, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

National Liberation Movement of Ahwaz

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POV article created by User:Arab League to push fringe movement (maybe even non-existent) that has only a website. The user has a history of creating these nonsense articles and is not improving wiki. Khorshid (talk) 04:30, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Has external coverage in Le Monde Diplomatique (behind a paywall) Le monde diplo and appears to be a well established group with external notability. Needs a non-involved farsi-language editor to check for further references, but I'm convinced of its notability and verifiability. Mostlyharmless (talk) 05:01, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, withouth any wide mainstream coverage, the article should be deleted. --Pejman47 (talk) 12:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

--Arab League User (talk) 16:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Strongly Keep. Their are Referenced cites, and citations to the article, the Organization does exist, and we cant deny that.


 * Delete A promotional website by itself is not notable. Neither is one or two websites sufficient to establish notability.  --alidoostzadeh (talk) 16:36, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Strongly Delete for above stated reason. This region does NOT exsist. PKF8586 —Preceding comment was added at 20:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Strongly Delete Just search the "National Liberation Movement of Ahwaz" ;here,It will show 16 results overall, and 12 results with omission of some similar entries !! That many of them(12) are mirror sites of Wikipedia ,and the remaining few sites are blogs that perhaps are written by the creator of this wiki-page ... I test my own name in Google ,and the results were ten times more than this unknown imaginary organization ....--Alborz Fallah (talk) 17:45, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete Wikipedia is not the place to promote non-notable fringe political advocacy groups, please see soapbox.--07fan (talk) 21:23, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, sourced by a considerable number of google news outlets . Also, with all due respect and without minimally putting in doubt their good faith, I'm afraid that our Iranian fellow editors may be a bit too emotionally involved in an issue that touches them so closely to be all reach a full detachment from the issue.--Aldux (talk) 00:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment, Did you check the links on google? There is only 16 hits, most from Arab sites, none are mainstream media outlets. Just a few mentions in the activest-type websites, does not make a a tiny fringe organization with no constituency, notable enough to warrant an article.--07fan (talk) 00:43, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The depth of coverage for the subject needs to be considered. These are the independent secondary sources I found: 1, 2, 3, and 4. Source #1 includes an analyst's opinion and comment about the National Liberation Movement of Ahwaz. Source #2 includes a quote from ANLM's chairman, Tahir Aal Sayyed Nima. Source #3 is a short article about the return of Ahwaz TV. Source #4 briefly discusses a statement made by ANLM. In my opinion, I don't think that the coverage of the ANLM by these sources meets WP:CORP. The notability guidelines state that "[t]rivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability." I think this is the case for the National Liberation Movement of Ahwaz. Nishkid64 (talk) 02:49, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. English language GHits don't really do it for me, either for or against, especially on subjects that exist outside the English speaking world. I'd like to know what coverage they've received in Farsi and Arabic language sources. Mostlyharmless (talk) 00:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I wasn't looking for GHits. I was looking through Google News for English-language news about the group. Of course, I do realize that other language sources won't appear in the search. Nishkid64 (talk) 00:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete This article is as of yet unsourced and it seems quite unnotable too. However, as someone who is politically interested, if the bold claims about this organisation being made ("It has an Anti-Syria and Hezbollah Policy due to their Support and cooperation with Iran") can be cited from reliable sources and media outlets, then I think it should be kept because I think Wikipedia should document these kind of movements. But as of right now, the article seems more like a promotion of its flag (Flag of Al-Ahwaz) than actual coverage of the organisation, since well, the article has more image content than text. &mdash; EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 04:01, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep the Organization does exist, they have a website and they were involved in some activities. therefore it is notable enough to have an article. Even though it needs to be sourced and made NPOV.--Aziz1005 (talk) 14:39, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Organizations are supposed to be involved in activities, and in this day and age, many have their own website. Your criteria for notability seem to be quite low in comparison to Wikipedia' standards. I suggest you try to justify notability by checking if the organization meets WP:CORP. Nishkid64 (talk) 19:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. No references provided, no independent verification of notability.--Larno Man (talk) 17:40, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Poorly written article about a group which is not notable and relies on Wiki for spreading propaganda.Nokhodi (talk) 19:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. propaganda for a political group. not notable.Farmanesh (talk) 23:52, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * delete while there are undeniable separatist movements in the Iranian province of Khuzistan aiming to ethnically cleanse the province from its Persian, Luri, Bakhtiari and Qashqai Turkic residence and to deliver it as a Arab homeland to the Arabs, these articles are partisan. They fail to describe the external ties of the separatists, and the extent of support under population. In addition they do not show that all these oragnizations are different names of the same and they only refer to their own pan-Arabist propaganda websites as "sources". Waht is more disturbing is that they call the province Khuzistan as Al-Ahwaz, while Ahvaz is only the name of its capital and the region has never been called as such by any one else than the pan-Arabists.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 12:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is some original piece of research.--Zereshk (talk) 23:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not the place to promote political advocacy groups. Farhoudk (talk) 06:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Hardly notable, the groups importance is reflected in how there's very little written about them anywhere and even in this article! Alireza Hashemi (talk) 02:31, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.