Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National awakening of Romania


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. WP:V is a core policy, requiring that all material - at least all contested material, as in this AfD - be reliably sourced. The article has no references even after 7 days of AfD, which makes deletion mandatory, irrespective of the consensus in this discussion that this would probably be an appropriate topic for an article. The article can be restored to draft via WP:REFUND by those who want to work on properly sourcing it, but it would probably be easier to rewrite it from scratch based on reliable sources.  Sandstein  06:34, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

National awakening of Romania

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Complete synthesis of ideas. No clear central topic; national awakening is a disambiguation page, making it unclear what this is even supposed to be. Prod removed without comment. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:56, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:56, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:56, 10 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete or speedy delete  on the basis of zero citations. CT55555 (talk) 18:58, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep The French and Romanian articles are substantial and well sourced, clearly indicating notability. Mccapra (talk) 20:51, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * And those sources are just going to magically appear here too, right? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:34, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Even if they don’t, they indicate that the subject is notable. Mccapra (talk) 21:46, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Those sources, upon translation, do not seem to use the term "national awakening", though. This is just a random grab bag of historical anecdotes with no clear focus. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:49, 10 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment Keep. I think the nom needs to clarify the objection before any serious discussion can be had. As I read it, as a non-specialist, this article is intended to cover the emergence of Romanian national identity and/or nationalism in the 19th century. "National awakening" seems not to be a proper noun (although some scholarly sources do use it: eg. 1]) and if so would fail WP:NDESC but this is grounds for re-namingnot deletion. The subject almost certainly meets WP:GNG. In this context, can you please clarify exactly what your objection is? The fact that it is unsourced is not, in itself, grounds for deletion either. —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:36, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * (As an aside, further research suggests that the Romanian term Renașterea națională is indeed used as a given term by historians of this period, similar to comparable terms in Hungarian and Croat historiography. See eg 2 and 3). —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:41, 11 April 2022 (UTC)


 * My objection is that "National awakening of Romania" doesn't seem to be a clearly defined topic. This just seems to be a random grab-bag of assorted historical trivia with no clear focus on what it's supposed to be talking about. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 22:40, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I have added a comment above which suggests that "National Awakening" is indeed an established concept in Romanian historiography. I agree that the article quality and structure is poor but the subject seems perfectly straightforward. The only question is whether the article is so bad that WP:TNT is justified. I do not think this is the case, but you might clarify whether you agree?—Brigade Piron (talk) 22:45, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I think a maintenance tag older than my mattress is a good enough sign that WP:TNT is a good idea. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 23:28, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, well thanks for clarifying your view. I think the article is long way from TNT territory and could easily be made into a useable stub, so I will change my vote to oppose. —Brigade Piron (talk)
 * Keep -- The subject is essentially the origins of modern Romania, charting the movement from principalities under Ottoman suzerainty to an independent state. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:45, 14 April 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.