Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nationalism in the Middle Ages


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The result was keep.  Sandstein  21:13, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Nationalism in the Middle Ages

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This article was created as a Fork. The user that started the article, tried to add the fringe narrative at article Nationalism, that nationalism as a political movement existed during the Middle Ages (and ancient times). His additions were resisted by various users, so he decided to create a new article and insert an internal link at "see also" section.. Cinadon36 12:23, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Cinadon36 12:23, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions. North America1000 12:53, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep The article is well sourced, including with academic papers, and has more then enough content for a fork. So, I'm not sure what the problem is here. Also, it seems like your doing this because you sorta lost an edit war by the creation of the article. Which is an extremely question reason to do an AfD. The idea was a lot less non-neutral when it was in the original nationalism article with other opinions. It's kind of wrong to force the person into splitting the article by edited warring them and then pointing the finger that their article only presents one view point though. That's sorta on you for not allowing the information in the main article. That said, the article goes out of it's way to say it is not the mainstream modern opinion and that the views are those of the sources. Not general academia. It would be non-neutral if it presented itself as the only and universally agreed on view of the history of nationalism, or even if it was sourced by fringe conspiracy theorists, but that's not the case. So, I see nothing wrong here. --Adamant1 (talk) 13:05, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Note by the creator of the article The claim that the theory of pre-modern nationalism is "fringe", needs at least some contemporary bibliographical support. If this is a user's personal opinion, we have a problem of understanding here, since I included in the article several contemporary academic sources, published by major publishers such as CUP, Routledge, Wiley & Sons, mass media (BBC) and main-stream peer reviewed journals. And I didn't even use half of the available sources. Btw, the same pre-modernist view is to be found in other "regional" articles, e.g. in English_nationalism / History.--Skylax30 (talk) 13:45, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't see any indication that this is just a fringe theory. Maybe it doesn't merit a large mention in Nationalism, but a google search reveals that it's certainly a valid topic.     Eddie891 Talk Work 14:08, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep The structure of this article is horrid. However it states that Nationalism is usually seen as a feature of the modern period.  This article brings together views suggesting that it went back further.  Some of us may disagree with those views, but they are legitimate academic viewpoints and as such encyclopaedic.  As (I think) this is a minority view, merging back to Nationalism is likely to unbalance that article.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:14, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


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