Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Naughty Nati

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. --Haham hanuka 13:52, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Naughty Nati & Allie Sin
Good Lord... whether this porn star merits an article is questionable enough, but I count nine (almost certainly copyrighted) photos tacked on here. -- Scott ei&#960;  22:01, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

Note duplicate article at Allie Sin. -- Scott ei&#960;  22:03, July 23, 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep, as a relative amount of notability has been established. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) 11:25, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, as non-notable (Even though my male senses tell me she certainly is HOT....) --Blu Aardvark | (talk) 22:05, 23 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete --Richhil 22:07, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Allie Sin (dupe). —Tokek 22:48, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Allie Sin. BTW at least one of the pics appears to be a copyvio. Capitalistroadster 00:38, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect. And jeez, with all those photos you'd think they could at least have found some hardcore ones to share.  JUST KIDDING.  Nandesuka 02:19, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. Are you insane, if anything Wikipedia needs more of these sort of articles!  This should be nominated for featured article status!Rainbowwarrior1977 03:20, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect as per Tokek. As for notability, according to Google the word "Allie Sin" turns up 19,100 hits whereas "Naughty Nati" turns up 64,300 hits.  Food for thought. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. 03:40, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Amending: Delete. She is not notable.  Pretty much a glorified amateur porn star with some stripping experience.  She may be worth keeping an eye on in the future, though.  Or she may burn out. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. 00:05, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The article as it currently stands tells us that she has already given up "her adult career". Uncle G 02:08:51, 2005-07-25 (UTC)
 * Delete. Naughty Nati is Non Notable.  I made Naughty Nati redirect to Allie Sin; that isn't something that requires a vote.  I suspect some of the "redirect" votes above were confused by the duplication; do Tokek et al really want to keep the article?  dbenbenn | talk 04:42, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep since something is very wrong here. The VfD on the Allie Sin article redirect here so I'm not sure anyone who voted can fiure out what they voted for.  Maybe the VfD should be closed because of this and if someone wants to renominate let them do that. Vegaswikian 03:39, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Actually, it is noted that Naughty Nati was a dupliacte of Allie Sin. Although I would not be adverse to allow Allie Sin a renomination for VfD. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. 04:14, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: They are both identical articles, which is why I linked to them to the identical VFD. You can still vote accordingly.--Blu Aardvark | (talk) 09:45, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, Allie Sin and Naughty Nati, non-notables, Thuresson 06:51, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep since this is not a vanity page, how is Allie Sin any less notable than some of the other porn stars listed, like: Aurora Snow, Taylor Rain or Jenna Haze? Since it cannot be argued that Allie Sin is less notable, she should stay. It's all too subjective IMO. Since Naughty Nati is a duplicate page, just keep it linked to the Allie Sin page. Necromancing 12:22, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Too subjective? Not really. For instance, Jenna Jameson is notable for being the woman who put a face to pornography, per se.  Linda Lovelace is notable for starring in a movie that made pornography more socially acceptable and made herself a figure of the anti-pornography, pro-feminist movement.  Danni Ashe is a woman who made herself successful and was one of the first women to bring pornography successfully to the Internet.  Right now, Allie Sin is only a pornographic has-been (and I'm using that term very, very loosely for lack of a better term) who has only had a one-year stint in the industry -- outside of that, she's done nothing of notability.  She's only starred in 18 movies and is, therefore, only a glorified amateur.  And as for Aurora, Taylor and Jenna... they have more under their belts, per se, than Allie Sin/Naughty Nati.  Please see item number 6 -- Genealogical entries -- on "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information"-- Joe Beaudoin Jr. 20:24, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: has-been as defined on Wikipedia also includes "one hit wonders". Take for example the listings for Right Said Fred and Flock of Seagulls. Again, it is too subjective a choice to delete the Allie Sin entry. She is known in the porn industry and has been in several films (okay, not as many as Jenna Haze, Aurora Snow or Taylor Rain) but like all young porn starlets, she's bound to make a comeback once she starts to fall on hard times (look at Belladonna (erotic actress) for an example). Necromancing 13:50, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Reply: As I said, I used the term very, very loosely... Perhaps even incorrectly. She doesn't even qualify as a one hit wonder, as far as I can discern. She's only been in less than 20 films according to both the Internet Adult Film Database and Internet Movie Database -- which, by itself, is quite unremarkable, given how pornography is readily and easily produced.  Also, just because she is "bound to make a comeback once she starts to fall on hard times" (which is an assumption of the grandest kind, given that pornography isn't the only career choice out there) doesn't mean she will.  Plus "all young porn starlets" is a very generic term; there are so many of them that they a great majority of them are severely unnotable. When she does something striking and notable, then Wikipedia should have an entry on her.  Until then, there's really no use to have an entry on her; if people want to know more about her, there's always Google. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. 22:11, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand Allie Sin. Some notability. JamesBurns 05:12, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Wikipedia Allie Sin is already #2 on Google! Why dump it now? If people need to know about Allie Sin/Naughty Nati, let them come to Wikipedia and enjoy the other features this website has to offer. Necromancing 22:34, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Vote struck, user has already voted once.  -- Scott  ei&#960;  05:50, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * The fact that this Wikipedia entry has already gained such prominence in a Google search indicates that there isn't much other material out there, which further strengthens the argument against notability.  -- Scott  ei&#960;  05:50, July 26, 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment if Wikipedia is so interested in deleting porn stars that are supposedly not notable, please also consider deleting the following "marginal" starlets Shay Sweet, Tawnee Stone, Stacy Burke, Lucy Lee, Kristi Myst, Kitty Marie, Kaitlyn Ashley and Adriana Sage. These "supposed" starlets are no more famous than Allie Sin, yet their pages are not up for deletion. I know that Wikipedia is not a democracy, but this seems like a small crusade against Allie Sin. You list all these other non-notable porn stars, why not just keep Allie Sin? Necromancing 00:44, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * This is a common claim made on VfD: that, because Wikipedia has an article or articles of a certain type, it must have other articles of that type. Generally, the question of whether an article merits inclusion is answered based on community-determined policy. When that policy is unclear or non-existant in regards to the article being questioned, it is up to the community to determine the appropriate action. When several similar articles are handled in the same way, it sets a precedent, which effectively becomes a new policy. From what I can see, there is no policy or precedent concerning what makes a porn actor notable. This means that the articles you mentioned exist only because no one has questioned their right to exist. Only when one of those articles is sent to VfD and survives will your argument have any weight.  -- Scott  ei&#960;  08:41, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, make better, let the information flow. The notability question is easily answered by answering "Is she notable enought for this not being written by herself or her friend." --Easyas12c 11:23, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep --Haham hanuka 16:16, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete not notable (as is the case with many porn stars). - Ta bu shi da yu 09:46, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment why is this STILL open for discuss after the five day review period? Obviously there will NOT be a 2/3 majority to delete! Please remove tag ASAP. - User:Necromancing 08:52, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


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