Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Navarre Haisila


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Not quite a good form relist; and the post re-list !vote is absolutely a no-no. Should have been closed as a keep much earlier. The re-list was a waste of community time, with no disrespect to the nominator, who clearly did it in good faith. Lourdes 15:43, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Navarre Haisila

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Fails WP:NRU. Andrew Base (talk) 15:47, 22 November 2019 (UTC


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Andrew Base (talk) 15:47, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Rugby union-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:49, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:49, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep The player has played in the National Rugby Championship, therefore qualifying him for WP:NRU. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 15:49, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as Rugbyfan22 has stated the subject played in the NRC game. So he passes WP:NRU Lightburst (talk) 18:30, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - Passes WP:NRU Celestina007 (talk) 08:23,  23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Subject plays under National Rugby Championship pass WP:NRU as per WikiProject Rugby union/Notability criteria. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 11:02, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete At this time, fails WP:GNG, which supersedes any notability guideline. All of the sources are linked to the Rebels. Interestingly, the only GNG-qualifying source I can find is from Worcester. SportingFlyer  T · C  22:00, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947 &thinsp;(c) , at 05:03, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete – Per this discussion, subject-specific notability guidelines do not supersede the general notability guideline, except in clear cases which GNG does not apply to. As it is the single most recent major discussion on the notability of sport bios to my knowledge, I feel obliged to go with the result of the discussion: NSPORTS does not supersede GNG. This really does need to be reflected on sport guideline pages, though, as this can seriously mislead people. As this is modern, finding sources isn't hard so the presumption of notability can be disproved.  J 947 &thinsp;(c) , at 05:08, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - why is the administrator who relisted this AfD now voting for deletion - sounds like a bit of a conflict of interest? Bookscale (talk) 10:22, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * (I'm not an admin) I relisted the discussion then thought I might as well !vote in it, forming my opinion after I relisted it.  J 947 &thinsp;(c) , at 03:19, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually I'll change my opinion to redirect to Melbourne Rising as that is the only team he has made an appearance for and per WP:ATD.  J947 's public account 22:21, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Plays in a national-level rugby competition, clear pass for WP:NRU. These people inevitably have sources available and the only reason they're being nominated is people mistaking AfD for a cleanup process. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 09:32, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Did you do any sort of WP:BEFORE search? I know it's not on the !voters, but I'd like to know which coverage out there passes WP:GNG as I've done my own search and have only come up with sources that are either routine or primary. SportingFlyer  T · C  11:59, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , I don't understand this either. I am a strong proponent of WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. I do not know where any sources are; indeed, I don't even like rugby. I understand the presumption of notability for less recent players, but not to him. All the sources available that discuss him will be found online, and I can't find enough to satisfy GNG.  J 947 &thinsp;(c) , at 01:20, 1 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per Drover's Wife. Bookscale (talk) 11:54, 30 November 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.